Babies Are Bleeding to Death as Parents Reject a Vitamin Shot Given at Birth
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8b16380d
9 minutes ago
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social media was a mistake
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incomingpain
22 minutes ago
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I did all of the shots the hospital and doctors offered for my kid. I even got vitamin drops for the first few months.

However, that was pre-covid. I dont know how I would choose today... but I'd say dont blame these parents, blame the medical professionals.

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MyHonestOpinon
12 minutes ago
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What changed after covid ?
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utdoctor
5 minutes ago
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Regardless of where you fall on the vaccine “debate”, it’s pretty obvious leadership across the board (government agencies, international bodies, etc.) completely bungled the messaging around COVID and the efficacy of the vaccine (stating you will not catch COVID if you get the vaccine, which is not true at all).

Between that and going back and forth on the efficacy of masks amongst other things, a lot of faith in these kinds of institutions was eroded.

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suzzer99
22 minutes ago
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The covid shot was a medical miracle. It saved hundreds of thousands of lives. There is a very small risk of myocarditis, which was always known and out in the open. Other than that every attack on the covid vaccines is just a bunch of nonsense FUD by wellness charlatans who make money off clicks and peddling snake oil.
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negzero7
13 minutes ago
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The problem is that the leaders told us that if you got the vaccine you would be immune and not get COVID. The performances of the politicians and medical professionals mandating masking and then seeing them only putting them on right before they went on stage, and continuing to do all of the things the "common" folk weren't allowed to do ruined all of the their credibility. Of course people are going to question all of the recommendations from experts after that.
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suzzer99
10 minutes ago
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> The problem is that the leaders told us that if you got the vaccine you would be immune and not get COVID.

That's a straw man. Nobody in authority said this once the vaccine was out and it was obvious that immunity wasn't 100% or permanent. All vaccines are different. No one knew until it came out what category this vaccine would fall into. You can still get measles after getting the measles vaccine. But you're much much less likely to die from it.

What the vaccine did do is greatly reduce the severity of the disease, which saved countless lives. See Wuhan, Northern Italy or NYC before lockdown. If the vaccine didn't work, as soon as lockdown ended, the hospitals would have filled to over capacity like they were in those places in the early days.

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negzero7
21 seconds ago
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Here's a compilation of repeated talking points during COVID. https://x.com/Martyupnorth_/status/1471694954002980866?s=20
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ceejayoz
7 minutes ago
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I do recall some politicians being, at the very least, imprecise on that issue.

But I note that the "a politician was wrong once, therefore vaccines can't be trusted" folks don't tend to extend that theory to things like "tax cuts cause economic booms" or "abstinence only sex ed is super effective" sort of statements that have repeatedly flopped in tests.

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brendoelfrendo
5 minutes ago
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There's two categories of people here, though. Politicians advocating for one thing and then doing another are not medical professionals advocating for people to get a COVID vaccine. You shouldn't look at what politicians are doing and then decide you trust doctors less.
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baggy_trough
11 minutes ago
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It's less the details of the covid shot, and more the willingness of the public health authorities to lie and to manipulate policies for their political ends, even if detrimental to health.
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suzzer99
7 minutes ago
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Exactly what lies from public health authorities are you talking about?
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ceejayoz
3 minutes ago
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One prominent example would be Surgeon General Jerome Adams's public comments that masks don't work early on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-fa...

(Which apparently stemmed from concern of shortages, but was a seriously bad way to address that.)

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fred_is_fred
34 minutes ago
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Speaking as someone with kids, many people I know rejected all of these. The eye ointment that they gloss over is to protect from gonorrhea. Which presumes that everyone having a kid has it in the first place. This is easy to test for before the baby comes though - what about Vitamin K?
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ceejayoz
32 minutes ago
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The people who won’t let a kid get ointment aren’t gonna consent to a mandatory STD test either.

(The ointment is also primarily for chlamydia these days.)

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brendoelfrendo
17 minutes ago
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Per the article: "All newborns lack vitamin K. No matter how much vitamin K a mother consumes, it doesn’t sufficiently pass through the placenta, and breast milk contains only small amounts." Even vitamin fortified formula may not be enough to provide infants with enough vitamin K to prevent bleeding. The open question in the medical community is not which newborns lack vitamin K (they all do), but why some vitamin K deficient newborns develop bleeding while others don't.

I guess I don't see the point in rejecting the shot. It's a vitamin, it has a clear benefit, and no drawback.

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ceejayoz
47 minutes ago
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Another case of statistical murder that can't be punished as it should, unfortunately.
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baggy_trough
43 minutes ago
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What does 'statistical murder' mean in this case?
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golem14
34 minutes ago
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   “Do you understand what I'm saying?" shouted Moist. "You can't just go around killing people!"

   "Why Not? You Do." The golem lowered his arm.

   "What?" snapped Moist. "I do not! Who told you that?"

   "I Worked It Out. You Have Killed Two Point Three Three Eight People," said the golem calmly.

   "I have never laid a finger on anyone in my life, Mr Pump. I may be–– all the things you know I am, but I am not a killer! I have never so much as drawn a sword!"

   "No, You Have Not. But You Have Stolen, Embezzled, Defrauded And Swindled Without Discrimination, Mr Lipvig. You Have Ruined Businesses And Destroyed Jobs. When Banks Fail, It Is Seldom Bankers Who Starve. Your Actions Have Taken Money From Those Who Had Little Enough To Begin With. In A Myriad Small Ways You Have Hastened The Deaths Of Many. You Do Not Know Them. You Did Not See Them Bleed. But You Snatched Bread From Their Mouths And Tore Clothes From Their Backs. For Sport, Mr Lipvig. For Sport. For The Joy Of The Game.”

   ― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal
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chowells
39 minutes ago
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It means making an informed choice that you know raises fatality rates.
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baggy_trough
22 minutes ago
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Who did that in this case? The parents? Isn't it more likely that they don't believe it raises fatality rates (however incorrectly)?
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ceejayoz
21 minutes ago
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> Who did that in this case?

Anti-vax activists like RFK Jr. https://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/healthpolicy...

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baggy_trough
15 minutes ago
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by not saying anything about it, he committed statistical murder?
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ceejayoz
12 minutes ago
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Don't be disingenuous.

He's actively suppressing publication of studies showing vaccine safety as a government official.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/05/us/politics/fda-covid-vac...

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ceejayoz
37 minutes ago
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It means you’re deliberately killing people, but indirectly enough it can’t be prosecuted.

Fucking with vaccines kills people. Getting rid of USAID kills people. Selling cigarettes kills people. But none of these are crimes. Some of them probably should be.

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j16sdiz
29 minutes ago
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It's not the same for an individual choice vs government choice.

Individual different is real. Law of large number is true only for large number. Until you can claim omniscience, I don't think we should make an individual responsible for a "statistical" crime for one individual.

Government policy, on the other hand, ...

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ceejayoz
27 minutes ago
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> I don't think we should make an individual responsible for a "statistical" crime for one individual.

Why not? We know tobacco execs lied about the dangers, even in Congressional testimony, and suppressed evidence. It's documented; no omniscience required.

Musk's DOGE cuts killed, at minimum, hundreds of thousands. It's highly likely he was aware of that likelihood.

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