Scientists “bottle the sun” with a liquid battery that stores solar energy
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CrzyLngPwd
20 minutes ago
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Trees also store the sun, and can release it back as heat.

Blackberries store the sun too, and later release it as wine or jam :)

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vessenes
1 hour ago
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Not clear from the very fluffy press release how one gets this pyrimidone to start releasing enough energy to boil water while it maintains 60% better energy density than lithium ion batteries.

I’d personally want to understand that before making any big plans, but this sounds cool.

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flopsamjetsam
1 hour ago
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Yeah, you'd think they'd include that.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aec6413

"Upon treatment with acid, that bond breaks to release more than a megajoule per kilogram of the compound, enough to rapidly boil water from a solution."

That's from the editor's summary (I haven't had time to read the paper).

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kenhwang
1 hour ago
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From the article:

> When exposed to a trigger -- such as a small amount of heat or a catalyst -- the molecule snaps back into its original form, releasing the stored energy as heat.

From the paper abstract, the catalyst is HCl. I don't have access to the full paper, so I don't know how they separate the HCl from the MOST to neutralize it to be rechargeable again.

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kadoban
3 minutes ago
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"A small amount of heat or a catalyst". Well, that sounds unstable. So any random contamination and you have a runaway reaction.
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AndrewDucker
32 minutes ago
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Stores it for return as heat. Which is useful, but not nearly as useful as returning it as electricity would be.

Still, if it could be stored stably in the summer and converted to heat in the winter then possibly helpful.

I wonder how the efficiencies compare to producing hydrogen or other burnable gases.

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3eb7988a1663
16 minutes ago
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Something like 25% of global energy is dedicated to industrial heating. While not as immediately applicable as electricity, there are many uses for load shifting solar as heat.

That being said, there are some "hot rocks" companies who have been working with thermoptovoltaic cells. Which could still work, but the low hanging fruit is in the millions of direct uses for heat.

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hn_throwaway_99
19 minutes ago
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> Still, if it could be stored stably in the summer and converted to heat in the winter then possibly helpful.

There are already sand batteries that store heat well and are used in northern climates: https://polarnightenergy.com/news/worlds-largest-sand-batter...

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rigonkulous
1 hour ago
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It sure would be nice to see some way to harness all this energy falling around us. I'd far prefer to just catch a few rays to charge my toys than plug into some far distant machine.

I remember thinking, in my youth, that the technology that enabled CASIO calculation would one day be applied as well to a bigger Turing machine, but I'm yet to see a solar-powered computer.

I sure wish it'd happen, though. All these magic solar energy storage/conversion systems need to start showing up on SOM/SOC's, imho ..

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micromacrofoot
1 hour ago
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you still need too much surface area and too much storage to generate the amount of power needed

absent of a major breakthrough solar will always be a house/grid level technology, which is fine and works at scale

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blacksmith_tb
1 hour ago
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Sure, so a solar-only laptop is not practical, but generating the power in its battery on your roof is a solved problem.

This MOST process doesn't immediately look like it has home-scale applications (maybe in cold climates), but for heat to make steam, promising.

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nickpeterson
1 hour ago
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I think I saw an apple A16 takes about 8 watts, which would be about a square foot of solar panel. So assuming we keep making progress it doesn’t seem insane to me that a laptop where the back of the lcd is a solar panel would be enough?
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blacksmith_tb
1 hour ago
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Angle though isn't ideal, unless the PV panel pops off the lid so you can position it better (and still be able to open the screen far enough back to read - though that's often not great in bright sun). I remember the OLPC could be run by hoisting a bucket of sand or water up on a rope and pulley on a tree branch and letting it drive a small generator as that came back down - and that was almost 20yr ago).
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micromacrofoot
54 minutes ago
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the mild inconvenience of needing to be in direct sun for N hours always overshadows this

you need a massive efficiency improvement to overcome this

we're still in the calculators and tv remotes level of on-device solar

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bawolff
43 minutes ago
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I wonder how far you could get if you were really trying. E.g. raspberry pi, eink, etc.
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euroderf
2 hours ago
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This sounds like an explosive breakthrough.
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____tom____
1 hour ago
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"When exposed to a trigger -- such as a small amount of heat or a catalyst -- the molecule snaps back into its original form, releasing the stored energy as heat."

That's a bit concerning. Runaway waiting to happen.

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metalman
1 hour ago
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bang.

there are a huge number of things that can store energy, chemicaly ,and reversibly, but the gotchas are always lurking, exotic wildly expensive ingedients, dangerous failure modes , or very complicated operational requirements that will not scale into the real world. this anouncent makes clear that is is based on dna, which is no surprise as nature is the ancient master of chemical energy storage,and which all of us useing right now anyway

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DoctorOetker
1 hour ago
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