Ian's Secure Shoelace Knot
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jonathanlydall
1 hour ago
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I only realized in my 30s that I had been tying my shoelaces wrong my whole life and a super minor change in my method has changed them from coming undone multiple times per day (unless double knotted), to instead staying tied the whole day with just a standard shoelace knot [0] (also on Ian's site).

This article's web page actually has the essential note:

> NOTE: If your finished knot comes out crooked (eg. loops pointing heel-to-toe), it's probably because you tie your Starting Knot the opposite way to mine. This will result in an un-balanced knot, which sits crooked and comes undone more easily. See my Granny Knot page for more information.

Back when I still used to browse Imgur, there was a post illustrating how to identify and fix this easy to make mistake. It turns out that I was starting with the lace left-over-right as opposed to right-over-left (or vice-versa, not sure off-hand).

This quite literally changed my life, just a small muscle memory tweak and now my laces easily stay tied the whole day with a regular knot which is also super easy to release as well.

[0]: https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/standardknot.htm

Edit:

I see he has a page dedicated to this mistake here: https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/grannyknot.htm

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kenmacd
15 minutes ago
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Learning this has also changed my life, but maybe not for the better. Now every time I see someone I know and their shoes are tied in a granny knot I have to waste a bunch of calories deciding if they'd appreciate me telling them.
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twodave
1 hour ago
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I tried writing a similar comment. Yours is much clearer. This 100%. As a runner I used to have to re-tie multiple times per run. I corrected my mistake with this same fix probably a decade ago and haven’t had a loose shoelace since.
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zimpenfish
36 minutes ago
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Back when I was running, I used the "lace lock" method[0] because a loose heel would drive me to distraction (and because I wore clown shoes with wide toe boxes, there's no pressure from the front to keep the foot stable.)

[0] e.g. https://www.coachweb.com/gear/running-gear/heel-lock-lacing-...

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lee_ars
1 hour ago
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Stumbling across Ian's site almost two decades ago was kinda-sorta life-changing, because I'd been tying the "granny knot" my whole life and had to resort to double-knotting to keep my damn shoes tied.

Ditched the granny knot for the Ian's Secure Knot (https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/secureknot.htm), and have been using that ever since for every pair of laced shoes I own.

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WarmWash
45 minutes ago
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This is my choice knot too, works really well
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DanTheManPR
2 minutes ago
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It's just a good knot. The only downside is that it is very slightly more complex than a regular shoelace knot (you pass-through both loops instead of just one). But otherwise, it's only upsides: completely secure, unties exactly as easily and quickly as a regular shoelace knot, and it even lays more horizontally than a regular shoelace knot.
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delichon
40 minutes ago
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When I was six or seven my older brother untied my shoelaces when I wasn't looking, and I tripped on them and almost fell down. This was apparently a traumatic event for me since it has effected my behavior ever since. I've double-knotted my shoelaces every time since then, usually remembering why. For about the last 57 years. Once when I was about 12 the same brother tried it again and failed due to the double knot. It was a moment of triumph.

But the double knot still sometimes comes untied somehow so I've never been entirely happy with it. Maybe if I take the effort to overcome my muscle memory and learn Ian's knot, it will quell the PTSD from being victimized at a young age and I can find inner peace.

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alper
1 hour ago
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I use Ian's (Fast) Knot and that's good enough for me.

https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/ianknot.htm

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wingerlang
11 minutes ago
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I use this one as well. It took me a few moments to learn it, but it almost instantly became muscle memory.

I just tried to do the old fashioned knot, it might be the first time I've tied it in two decades.

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xlii
19 minutes ago
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It's like world smallest (and funniest) superpower. While people are still tying their shoes I'm ready to go. It feels a bit like magic when you touch the laces and they're just made.
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clnhlzmn
39 minutes ago
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I use this knot usually but it doesn't work for my pisgah range laces. They have their own recommended knot, which does work, but it's annoying to tie and asymmetric. I'll be trying this "secure" knot now.
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ericpauley
54 minutes ago
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This is definitely the go-to knot over secure knot. Been using it every day for 13 years. Yes, it comes apart every so often (maybe a few times a year), but the tying time savings far outweighs those few instances.
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Groxx
47 minutes ago
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Plus you get to have rare "wait what, how the heck???" encounters if anyone around you pays attention randomly. It looks like magic compared to the usual methods people learn.
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ericpauley
36 minutes ago
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The best part of this is that you forget you're tying your shoes differently, so when the "how the heck" moment arrives you're also surprised!
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flexagoon
49 minutes ago
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This is a life changer. I've literally had friends ask me how I tie my shoes so fast a few times after learning this method.
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KomoD
52 minutes ago
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I also use this one, it's great.
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zenoprax
6 minutes ago
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Alternative view: it works best for flatter laces. I have a pair of running shoes with thicker round laces that don't stay tied unless I use the traditional method.

I'm curious about the physics involved to cause such an obvious and singular failure.

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dtj1123
1 hour ago
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I switched to Ian's original shoelace knot about ten years ago. It's saved me something like four hours of shoelace time since then. Bloody brilliant.
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SockThief
1 hour ago
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I switched too and love it. It's arguably just a bit faster then the one I learned in childhood, but it's so much more reliable. I got couple of snickers I use daily and don't untie them at all, and the Ian's Knot [0] stays firmly knotted for months!

[0] https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/ianknot.htm

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linsomniac
1 hour ago
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I learned it around 5 years ago and it just makes tying my shoes feel so effortless, I also feel like it holds on a little better than the previous knot I was using. It took me a while to get the mechanics down.
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arcticgeek
12 minutes ago
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I find taking the rabbit around the tree twice also works well.
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brandonpelfrey
25 minutes ago
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Friend shared this site with me like 10+ years ago, I've been using this knot ever since. Kind of amazing it's so generally unknown given how good it is.
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lowercased
26 minutes ago
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I just switched to slip-ons the moment I could buy my own shoes.
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rndz
1 hour ago
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More than 10 years ago, somebody shared this clip with me: https://youtu.be/zAFcV7zuUDA?is=QDFb5Wxd_tJ-pJ61

Been tying my shoelaces like this ever since.

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hx833001
1 hour ago
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This is the best knot. Looks amazing aesthetically and simply does not come undone. Unless you want it to, in which case a quick pull on one end unties it instantly.
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jjice
1 hour ago
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Learned this about five years ago on HN and it's the only way I've tied my shoes since. It's so fast and perfect every time. It's worth the ten minutes in your living room learning to tie your shoes again like a child!
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twodave
1 hour ago
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Runner here. I found some time ago that starting out the classic shoelace tie right-hand dominant and finishing it left-hand dominant results in a very stable knot. Lacing them high enough to keep the ends short helps too. It has been thousands of miles since my last loose shoelace.
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frankmatranga
1 hour ago
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I have truly never had a shoe come untied after switching to this knot years ago. My friends think I’m crazy when I rave about shoelaces to them and try to get them to see the light. Jokes on them! They’ll be left behind re-tying their shoes till the last day their feet walk the earth.
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vrganj
23 minutes ago
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Great knot and amazing site. It has a distinct "old internet" feel to it, and I mean that as nothing but a compliment. I miss those days, pre platforms capturing everything and making us angry at each other for their engagement metrics.
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kernel_sanders
1 hour ago
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My kids learned to tie their shoes this way from this site and never knew differently. They're 20 and 17 now.
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teddyh
2 hours ago
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benji-york
1 hour ago
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Although that's a different knot (I use the one originally referenced), I taught my kids the knot in the animation and it's worked out well.

Added benefit: adults are impressed when they see my kids tie their laces.

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gargalatas
1 hour ago
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that's different.
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teddyh
1 hour ago
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Oops, you’re right.
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orphea
2 hours ago
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You can also tie two knots but in the opposite directions:

https://youtu.be/8DBhTXM_Br4?t=1711 (Veritasium)

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yuppiepuppie
1 hour ago
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Best investment in the last 5 years for me - elastic shoelaces. Never have to tie my shoes again
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vermilingua
1 hour ago
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Bet they pair well with cargo shorts
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yuppiepuppie
45 minutes ago
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Better! swimsuit :)
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carterschonwald
1 hour ago
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the moment this clicked after reading it a few years ago its been my daily driver. that resource is a treasure
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oldandboring
50 minutes ago
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Learned the Ian knot back in my early 20s (25 years ago now). Pound for pound this is easily in my top 10 highest value things I've ever done/learned. My shoes do NOT come untied anymore, period, ever.

Funny thing is, if you don't know how to tie it, you probably just notice how it looks when it's done (almost exactly like the granny bowtie) so you (understandably) assume it's just a different method to arrive at the same result, like how bunny-ears and rabbit-goes-around-the-tree do. Of course it's not the same result at all.

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