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The "agentic PC" for consumers probably would be something you talk to, and would look like Alexa or a living room TV or glasshole glasses. Something other than a keyboard and screen combo.

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devn0ll

6 hours ago

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Seeing how we are responding to AI or the copilot button on pc's... I _dare_ to suggest this "Agentic era" is nothing more then wishful thinking. Not supported by any real wish or need on the consumer side.

Well, at least for me: no thanks.

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Closi

4 hours ago

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> Seeing how we are responding to AI or the copilot button on pc's... I _dare_ to suggest this "Agentic era" is nothing more then wishful thinking

Depends who 'we' is - I've seen plenty of non-tech people in the real world begin to use ChatGPT as a primary information source rather than the web (rightfully or not!)

I suspect that 'we' might not be the true early adopters here, similar to how quite a lot of the most technical users in the 80's thought GUI's were a waste of time.

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Octoth0rpe

4 hours ago

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> Depends who 'we' is - I've seen plenty of non-tech people in the real world begin to use ChatGPT as a primary information source rather than the web (rightfully or not!)

I don't think that's really what people are talking about when they talk about 'agentic' PCs.

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cromka

3 hours ago

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I think that was example of how previously seemingly impossible things are happening things are happening quickly.

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cromka

3 hours ago

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As much as I hate it, you and your opinion is exactly what Jobs always talked about: people don't need things until they realize they need them.

You not envisioning use for it is just a past bias. You can't know that. You can't because we haven't yet reached the point where the OS is fully useful when controlled with AI.

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gedy

2 hours ago

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But the industry types have been talking about "agents" for 30 years... This used to be a thing that "intelligent agents will go on the internet and gather information for you" then search engines came out and people were happy with that instead.

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sublinear

2 hours ago

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I'm sorry, but what was Steve Jobs ever uniquely right about except that we needed better touch screens on smartphones?

We don't see the same obvious applications of AI because nobody has developed a proper user interface for it. We're stuck with voice, chat, and dumping documents onto it. The current pro-AI stance is basically "fuck the user and fuck interfaces".

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georgeburdell

52 minutes ago

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Agentic for most people should mean an easy way to fix what were previously missing UI features. Hopefully companies are (with permission) paying attention to user prompts in aggregate to guide UX work

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tmaly

6 hours ago

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I had to buy a new washing machine last year. It has an AI mode, what ever that is. I have never used the mode.

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squid_ca

2 hours ago

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Mine too. I think it's just a buzzword, like, this would have been called "Smart Wash" five years ago.

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syberspace

5 hours ago

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as far as I've understood the AI mode on my new-ish washing machine: it's just a renamed "automatic" mode that uses a sensor to measure how heavy the load is and adjusts the cycle length. there is absolutely no AI involved, just an if-statement or equivalent logic gates. I'd guess yours does something similar

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Animats

4 hours ago

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Washers now do have useful control systems. Mine starts out by spinning the tub a little, before adding water, to measure the load. Out of balance problems are a thing of the past - that's sensed and dealt with automatically. It's able to handle bed comforters or sneakers without problems. But it's not "AI", and it doesn't have a network connection.

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jagged-chisel

5 hours ago

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Literally, “simulated intelligence” at best.

But for marketing, “artificial intelligence” is fine. And better than LLMs being called “AI”

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ajam1507

4 hours ago

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Surprising that there are still people who don't think LLMs qualify as AI

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Octoth0rpe

4 hours ago

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I think in some people's minds, the concept of sentience and intelligence are intertwined, and there are at least some people (myself included) who do not think they're the same. There is a strong (but surprisingly not universal) consensus that LLMs are not sentient, so if you insist that sentience/intelligence are the same thing, then LLMs don't qualify as AI either. If you think the two concepts are separable, then they're intelligent but not sentient. The devil is of course in the definitions.

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andai

5 hours ago

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On my walk today I passed an LG company van. It had an ad for one of their new AC units on the side. "AI Air"

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throw-the-towel

1 hour ago

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A bar I know had an "AI designed shot" back in 2023.

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forinti

4 hours ago

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There's a billboard near my home with an ad for "AI designed glasses".

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corv

6 hours ago

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Less space than a nomad. Lame.

To be fair, I find the term to be as contrived as “performant”

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XorNot

5 hours ago

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What you're not planning to upgrade from your Web 3.0 platform to an Agentic one?

Scandalous!

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Henchman21

5 hours ago

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Given that we’re making ourselves dumber through AI, education funding cuts, social media, and foolish propaganda AND the population is shrinking and everyone is seemingly depressed:

The most likely outcome is the world in the children’s cartoon “Thundarr the Barbarian”. People living in the collapsed ruins of the past society, belief in magic, etc.

A post-apocalyptic hellscape, essentially.

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andai

5 hours ago

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> People living in the collapsed ruins of the past society

Kind of feels like I was already born into that.

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baron3dl

2 hours ago

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is this not an essential human condition?

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yogthos

6 hours ago

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I think it's almost certain that we'll be moving to running local models as a default in a few years. The quality of small models has been improving at an astonishing rate in my opinion. My favorite example is how Qwen3.6-27B that you can run on a laptop outperforms Qwen3.5-397B which was a flagship model requiring a commercial grade server that was released just in February. https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.6-27b

I fully expect that local models models that are comparable to current frontier models in performance will appear in the near future. Additionally, a lot more can be done with the harness as well, which in my opinion is an under-explored territory right now. For example, ATLAS does some clever tricks in this area https://github.com/itigges22/ATLAS

I started working on my own harness and also notice a significant improvement in model capability with it https://dirge-code.github.io

Apple seems to be one of the few companies to have realized that the future is likely local, and they've been focusing on optimizing hardware for that while everybody else seems to still be stuck in a model as a service paradigm.

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baron3dl

2 hours ago

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I think Apple's tech-heavy user base and vertically integrated hardware/network/software mega architecture positioned them perfectly to beat the rest of the market to 1st runner up. The competition knows, they just can't move that fast.

> I started working on my own harness and also notice a significant improvement in model capability with it https://dirge-code.github.io

You should mine your session logs for examples of scenarios that demonstrate this improvement. If you can characterize it in a time series metric, like tokens/feature, as you applied improvements, then you're offering a receipt.

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yogthos

2 hours ago

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Yeah, that's a good idea. I haven't really been rigorous with tracking the token usage metrics when I started. I was thinking I could compare solving tasks with opencode too and track metrics for both.