An Ohio Valley 100k-Watt FM Signal Is Severed in Broad Daylight – Radio World
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geerlingguy
35 minutes ago
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Cutting a live transmission line is incredibly foolish, for many reasons, but I'm guessing the station has a modern(ish) solid state transmitter, which has great foldback protection.

I've seen (and personally tested) AM transmitters dead shorting, and within less than a second (probably less than 100ms, but I haven't measured precisely) it will fold back on a dead short to like 1% of its operating power, lower if it still detects a short.

This is to protect the (even more expensive) transmitter from lightning strikes or other weird eventualities (like the line leaking pressurized nitrogen, used to prevent shorts from moisture mainly).

But replacing that 3" transmission line is not cheap or fast. Usually the runs are planned and designed, and every elbow / connection has losses that are accounted for.

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aeonik
1 hour ago
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Working backwards from clues in the article, thief maybe stole 200-400 ft of wire.

Assuming between 3-1/8″ - 6-1/8″ diameter.

Somewhere between $1,360 - $6,400 of scrap value. $70k-$100k to repair...

Absurd.

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sowbug
1 hour ago
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That's the usual car stereo theft economics: cause $1,000 of damage to sell a $100 radio for $10.
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m463
41 minutes ago
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probably $10 of meth to harm a body so that it eventually needs $50k of medical work, or $100k of dental work
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cevn
23 minutes ago
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10 dollars? Who's your meth guy?
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xp84
58 minutes ago
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Other than those who commit grave offenses of bodily harm, I reserve my greatest disgust for the type of dirtbag who imposes these orders-of-magnitude greater costs on other innocent people for such a relatively low "reward." They'd burn the Mona Lisa for fuel, melt down the Statue of Liberty for scrap, anything if you let them.

I agree with another commenter here, the overlap of this mindset with tweakers is large.

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bandofthehawk
46 minutes ago
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In general I agree with you, but it also makes me wonder how these people got to this point. I think most people would burn the Mona Lisa if it meant surviving through a cold night. Our society has failed these people in many ways.
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hyperhello
41 minutes ago
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I don’t see how to blame our society for copper thieves.
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bandofthehawk
36 minutes ago
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Lack of healthcare, limited job opportunities, growing income inequality, are just a few reasons off the top of my head.
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bigbuppo
15 minutes ago
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Local copper thieves that were busted stealing telco lines... they were just looking to make a quick buck regardless of legality or care for the impact it had on other people. They're more like tech company CEOs, really.
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paleotrope
21 minutes ago
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Drugs. It's usually drugs.
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esikich
20 minutes ago
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Right, why didn't everyone just get good education, dental care, and healthcare, get a car when they're 16, have their parents help them go to college and work for a VC and get rich. Just can't understand it. Truly, an enigma.
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TurdF3rguson
5 minutes ago
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This is what nobody wants to admit, whether it's nature or nurture doesn't matter because you're not in control of either of them. You were born into so and so of a family, and they brought you up with such and such care and values.

The idea that you've been "force of willing" it through your whole life since infancy and are therefore solely accountable for your outcome is absurd. We know that at some level and yet still can't help taking credit for our nice things and passing judgment on others for their failings.

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hyperhello
13 minutes ago
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My general rule for posting sarcasm is to phrase it seriously first and see if it's something I still want to post.
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mslt
49 minutes ago
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I’d suggest considering empathy once you get past the anger, their former selves would be equally repulsed by their behavior, and for many I expect their current selves feel similarly despite their lack of control. The villains here aren’t the broken people.
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jdross
46 minutes ago
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The villains are the people who let these people continue to commit crimes and make life worse for others in the name of empathy instead of quickly and forcefully moving them into compassionate care where they have any chance of recovering and joining the vast majority as contributors to society.
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laughing_man
40 minutes ago
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The villains are those of us who tolerate this kind of behavior in the name of compassion.
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TurdF3rguson
28 seconds ago
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You shouldn't tolerate the behavior, but announcing disgust for people who are struggling is just not helpful.
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cucumber3732842
1 hour ago
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>Somewhere between $1,360 - $6,400 of scrap value

If it's a "normal" wire specification that someone else can use it was likely sold for ~50% of retail.

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tonyarkles
41 minutes ago
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It was gas-filled presumably ultra low loss RF cable, but the thief cut it into small sections so that they could take it away. You might be right about the 50% number of they had somehow managed to steal it as a single intact spool. As-is, the station even said that they wouldn’t be able to use it even now that it’s been recovered because of fears of gas leaks.
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bragr
59 minutes ago
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Thieves typically burn off the insulation so it's not likely to be easily reused.
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rmason
1 hour ago
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In Detroit copper theft was an epidemic a few years back. Once the easy stuff in abandoned houses was gone thieves went further afield. .

A few brave thieves went after power substations. For some thieves a lack of knowledge was fatal.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017...

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legitronics
1 hour ago
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How is this person alive? That’s a terrifying amount of relatively high frequency energy. And pressurized gasses of some sort.
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defrost
1 hour ago
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My first thought also .. possibly pulled a breaker rendering cable inert, or perhaps rigged a remote cutting tool - drop saw poised to cut on a long extension cord ready to be turn on ... (problematic).

I'm leaning toward killed the current first somehow, but very location detail dependant.

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cucumber3732842
1 hour ago
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You can buy high voltage gear online cheap. Just this one job would pay for the complete setup if you're buying cheap brands.
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CamperBob2
1 hour ago
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The transmitter will have a VSWR trip for just this sort of eventuality. It would likely be damaged severely if allowed to operate into an open circuit for more than a brief moment.
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api
54 minutes ago
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Meth induced superhero powers?
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dylan604
1 hour ago
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I'm looking for a Kalshi bet that the perp is a tweaker.

They say it could cost $70,000 - $100,000 to repair, but I also wonder if they'll have to refund ad buys while they are running at 10 watts and such reduced coverage. Makes me also wonder what kind of insurance broadcasters might have for such incidents when they can't broadcast.

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ben-gy
59 minutes ago
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This feels like force majeur from a contract perspective…
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grahamburger
1 hour ago
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Oof, that's a bad day. I've had cable stolen from a tower site like that, but it was cable we had spooled out for installation the day before, not in active use.
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asdefghyk
1 hour ago
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The photo shows a cable ( with insulation ) that looks at least 4 inches thick ... (from a distance )
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CamperBob2
1 hour ago
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The alleged perpetrator — Paul Crisp

Nominative determinism in action.

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fwipsy
1 hour ago
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Or subverted in this case, I suppose. Can't have been very crisped if he could flee from the police.
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arthurcolle
45 minutes ago
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any paulcrisp on HN want to discuss?
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helterskelter
1 hour ago
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Darwin awards should give this guy an honorable mention.
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trick-or-treat
1 hour ago
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Reads like a super-villain origin story. Welp, I guess he doesn't have to worry about getting the electric chair.
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AndrewKemendo
1 hour ago
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That’s wild. Radio transmission power is no joke.

I replaced the 100W FM transmitter on our college radio tower and got in front of the emitter beam for like 10 seconds and my head rung for a week. The amps and power aren’t to be messed with.

I can’t even imagine messing with 100K line that’s a solid block of copper

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sidewndr46
33 minutes ago
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You think exposure to 100 watts at ~100 MHz is going to cause your head to ring?
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asdefghyk
1 hour ago
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Very lucky not to have been killed by the high voltages or intense RF energy and or suffer severe burns / blindness ....
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AndrewKemendo
1 hour ago
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Come to think of it it wasn’t even 10 seconds, more like 2 or 3 before my ears and eyes were burning
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MBCook
1 hour ago
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Literally.
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Vaslo
1 hour ago
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The trash thief will never be able to replace that. I guess insurance will help but that’s just another excuse for them to raise rates.

That thief should be indentured until he pays it back in full.

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CamperBob2
1 hour ago
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Is it too soon to talk about regulating the $#@* out of scrap-metal dealers?
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SoftTalker
1 hour ago
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They already are. You need to show ID to sell scrap metal. The thieves use a fence.
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gacgacgac
58 minutes ago
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Furthermore, going after scrap metal sites makes an important business harder and fails to be inquisitive enough about the reasons why the thefts happen at all. Maybe we should try to understand why people are stealing copper. (Presumably poverty, drug addiction, lack of opportunity)
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xp84
54 minutes ago
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If you believe we can just fix poverty and drug addiction with some government program, I have a bridge to sell you. So far, no one has, anywhere in the world.

Many people (and once they get themselves addicted to something bad, that rises to "most") are just terrible and care only about their own short-term gain. They'd do any amount of destruction to others for some small temporary profit or fix.

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konmok
32 minutes ago
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The USA opioid epidemic was caused by gross government negligence and corruption. Is it really a stretch to think that a policy solution could have prevented the majority of the harm? And do you really think there wouldn't be enough food and shelter to go around, if the government decided to get serious about poverty relief?
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CamperBob2
1 hour ago
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Where does the fence sell the scrap? Somebody is buying it.
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MBCook
56 minutes ago
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Same as stolen TVs, catalytic converters, and anything else.

There’s always someone who likes the money/discount more than morals/the law at the next step in the chain. Somewhere.

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cucumber3732842
43 minutes ago
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>There’s always someone who likes the money/discount more than morals/the law at the next step in the chain. Somewhere.

That's every scrap yard and most small businesses. Nothing makes you hate the law and it's enforcers, peddlers and proponents like being on the business end of regulations and a scrap yard probably has at least half a dozen agencies they are subject to.

Heck, I bet half of these guys would aerosolize radioactive waste out of spite if they thought the wind would blow it into a "good school district".

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BobbyTables2
48 minutes ago
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Wonder if they steal the fence too!
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