Albania Is Not for Sale: Kushner's $4B Resort Triggers'Flamingo Revolution'
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by ortr
2 hours ago
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| yacnews.com
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bkovacev
2 hours ago
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Jared Kushner tried a similar thing in Serbia[0] and failed after a public outrage.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/12/17/serbia-trump...

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rapind
1 hour ago
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That Ivanka podcast interview about this island will go down as a masterpiece in tone-deafness. I assume there are already memes of it.
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airstrike
40 minutes ago
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My absolute favorite, for those who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBEDGJE0_yI
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LearnYouALisp
52 minutes ago
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Oh, 'highlights'?
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FireBeyond
29 minutes ago
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And Trump's plan to build a skyscraper on Australia's Gold Coast was nixed a month or two ago because his partner on it bailed because of its "toxic associations".
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adjejmxbdjdn
29 minutes ago
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I simply don’t understand how American voters are fine with being robbed blind.

Many countries have far more corrupt administrations than the current U.S. one, but even in the most degenerate ones none of them are as open about it.

And it’s not just a political thing.

Consider how the Chinese owned Smithfield’s is polluting lakes and land all over the Midwest with their highly intensive (and incredibly cruel) pig farming that is causing high cancer and mortality rates for the people living there, and yet the locals tend to support whatever Smithfield wants.

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superloika
26 minutes ago
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It's because the massess are cattle themselves.
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swed420
12 minutes ago
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'The Century of the Self' really drives this point.

https://thoughtmaybe.com/the-century-of-the-self

Then corporate social media took things to the next level.

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hedora
14 minutes ago
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I don’t get it either. I think it is a combination of the two party system, and short attention span / tribalism.

Look at the California primaries. In every race I can name, the right wing (like funded by the same people as Trump levels of right wing) and the republican token candidate are advancing to the general election.

We have open primaries, so, in theory, there could be a corporate democrat vs. a populist/progressive democrat in the general elections.

I say “token” republicans because they are clearly sending the B team. One ran on “too many dogs get to vote” and another (who advanced) on a transphobic platform.

Typical breakdowns of California primaries in Silicon Valley, translated to European norms: 5% left, 15-25% center left, 30-35 moderate to hard right, 35-40 right wing nationalist.

In the general, the first three categories will collapse, and the moderate to hard right democrat that gets elected will claim they have a mandate from the voters.

Edit: The narrative dominating the news cycle is Trump’s claim the elections are rigged because the results were so far to the left. I guess he wants two republicans facing off in every general election race, despite the state being overwhelmingly blue.

Also, on ballot initiatives, the state overwhelmingly votes left, not moderate right, so, when presented with an actual policy decision, they vote completely differently than they do when given a choice of candidates.

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unharmed474
10 minutes ago
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My theory is that the US isn’t really a democratic society anymore. Immigration has changed the fabric of the country so much that a lot of newer Americans still haven’t fully assimilated into American culture yet.
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yacin
5 minutes ago
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Are you suggesting that immigrants are to blame for electing the current administration that's robbing them blind?
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annagio_
1 hour ago
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Half of Albania is butchered like this, beaches and green being destroyed to make resorts for the tourists to come. Go see Dermi or Vuno and then go see Borsh how clean it is, with no excavations at all or resorts being build.
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whatever1
1 hour ago
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Don't forget that resorts et al typically belong to international capital, and the tourists rarely leave the premises.

So what does the local economy get out of it? A few maids salary to clean up the tourist's shit?

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hammock
42 minutes ago
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> Don't forget that resorts et al typically belong to international capital. What does the local economy get out of it?

Same goes for any natural resource. Oil, precious metals, water, etc. Globalization feeds this behavior, but that’s a conversation people don’t usually want to have

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Avicebron
8 minutes ago
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hisses in neolib and skitters back to the shadows but but trickle down
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dominotw
1 hour ago
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what about tax revenue ?
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whatever1
1 hour ago
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Most resorts secure favorable tax deals directly from the central governments before they invest, accompanied by public announcements in the media about success of government in attracting international investments.

So no tax the locals. During the construction phase there is some legitimate economy uplift (similar to datacenters). But after that nothing.

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dominotw
18 minutes ago
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> Most resorts secure favorable tax deals directly from the central governments before they invest, accompanied by public announcements in the media about success of government in attracting international investments.

is this just pure old corruption. govt not working for ppl stuff.

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hedora
26 minutes ago
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I challenge you to find a single example anywhere on earth where redistribution of foreign tax revenue significantly improved the economic standing of the existing general population.
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Tangurena2
48 minutes ago
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"Big money" tends to extort the same sort of tax deals that American sports stadiums get: they get huge tax breaks and while the registers at the stadium look like they're charging sales tax, that money goes directly to the stadium owners, not the government. Sometimes these deals are called "special economic zone".
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woodpanel
39 minutes ago
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Tax revenue, local jobs, and the possiblity for entrepreneurs to build businesses around that possibility of tourists leaving the premise.

With all that being said, I still think that overreliance on tourism is bad for a place in principle. Those places fossilize, the wealth of tourists overwhelmes local culture, it will create wrong incentives, draw in junk vendors, pick-pocketers, and AirBnB vultures making life more miserable for the locals. One can also be certain that the local hospitality operators will try to pass the least possible amount to locals by finding even cheaper employees from god knows where.

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1234letshaveatw
37 minutes ago
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such a stark contrast with all the hysteria over foreign tourists avoiding the US due to Trump that was posted here a few days ago. "Oh noes Trump is destroying the tourist economy!!!" vs. "only a few maids salary to clean up the tourist's shit"
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esquire_900
45 minutes ago
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We happened to be in Borsh beach around a week or so ago, and that will be a tourist wreck in 2 years. Multiple working sites, 70% of the beach already claimed by beds.

Quite laid-back in May / start of June, but I do not want to be there in the high season.

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skinfaxi
1 hour ago
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Same in Greece. Right off the coast of Albania, Corfu is seeing heavy development as well.
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tweetle_beetle
23 minutes ago
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Corfu has been a mainstream holiday destination for Europeans for half a century. I don't think it's really in the same category as Albania.
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totetsu
2 hours ago
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I wonder how many more things like this are happening under the radar around the world
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billfor
57 minutes ago
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The article says: "If it was not Jared, they would not give a shit about what is happening in Albania," Rama said."
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amitport
19 minutes ago
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Jews are only 0.2%. So assume it happens x500 than what you see in the no-Jews-no-news mainstream media.
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ToucanLoucan
1 hour ago
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Every time you hear about some corpo or another getting to "play a role in the development of $nation" it's pretty much always going to be some kind of bullshit that will employ a lot of locals for shit wages to provide a product or service to residents of the Global North.

There are exceptions of course but the vast, vast, vast majority are tourist trapping and wealth extraction.

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1over137
1 hour ago
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This is hardly under the radar, it’s all over the news.
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frereubu
1 hour ago
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They mean an attempt like this, but one that they manage to keep quiet and out of the press.
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pavel_lishin
1 hour ago
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I wonder, if I asked the next dozen people I meet, whether they would have any idea about this.
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KPGv2
1 hour ago
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The only people this is relevant to are Albanians. I don't expect an Albanian to know about data centers being built in Texas. Hell, I don't expect Michiganders to know about them.
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Brendinooo
17 minutes ago
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What is this news source? I've never heard of it before and there are no names associated with it on their site. Two of their social media links are broken. Their YouTube channel was only active for like a year, 4-5 years ago. It all feels strange.
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unharmed474
15 minutes ago
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The news is everywhere, I don’t know why they picked this source.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/kushner-luxury-resort-p...

Just google Albania Flamingo revolution.

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sys_64738
1 hour ago
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I thought Albania still had concrete bunkers around the coast to keep unwanted invaders OUT.
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toasty228
1 hour ago
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The rich are getting too openly greedy and complacent again, they're slowly forgetting about history, can't wait to see how it pans out in the next decades.

https://www.prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article1196

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renegade-otter
1 hour ago
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Which is ironic because Rae Kushner - his grandmother - is a legend. She has gone through some things.

Now her grandson is wrecking Europe.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/04/560224531/trump-stories-kushn...

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agnosticmantis
40 minutes ago
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Would you elaborate why she's considered a legend?

She was certainly a victim and a refugee, of which we have many today, most being denied admission to the US. Are those all legends too?

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lifestyleguru
58 minutes ago
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Present America is real estate developers all the way down.
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Ccecil
39 minutes ago
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Real estate, Crypto and AI make up the 3 legged stool of US investment (from my perspective).

In my area which is over 1/3 retired people this is where the majority of their investments seem to lie. Those who are simply relying on 401k or other investments are also at risk due to the lack of diversification. Since their investments are tied to those 3 things.

If any of the legs of the stool go out...the whole thing goes down.

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drstewart
44 minutes ago
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Wait till you see the housing market in other Anglo countries.
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lifestyleguru
33 minutes ago
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Maybe it's not cheap but also not very available, quality is rather poor, you can rent it short term without any tenant rights?
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justin66
51 minutes ago
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Never heard of her. His father, the tax evading felon recently pardoned by Trump, is rather more well known I would think. (But hardly a legend)
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woodpanel
11 minutes ago
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well a legend he is, if we are to believe what former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said about what the pardon was for: "one of the most loathsome, disgusting crimes" he ever prosecuted as U.S. attorney.
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nullorempty
42 minutes ago
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All the great art should teach us that we can't take riches to the grave, it's too bad that this is being forgotten.

Then again, may be they already figured out how to make their lives meaningfully longer. I often think what drives 80 year old Bidens and Trumps to live the stressful POTUS life.

And I can think of only one incentive. Weird thoughts, but otherwise the dots just don't connect.

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avgDev
38 minutes ago
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Different people are driven by different things. Some people genuinely want to serve their nation and being a president is a huge honor to the family. You become part of history.

Others may be serving their own interests as it gives them access to all information.

Others may just want the power.

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ifjfkfkfkfj
46 minutes ago
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It is just Russia trying to undermine US president! We seen this type of protests several times!
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Kapura
29 minutes ago
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I hate these rich motherfuckers so much. They are openly corrupt, and move through the world with impunity on a magic carpet of wealth. Not only must the individuals be stopped, but the systems that allow nonstate actors to wield effectively unlimited funds must be rebuilt.
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mrKola
23 minutes ago
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RnB, BnB
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pjc50
1 hour ago
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partial225
1 hour ago
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This led to the greatest trolling of an individual ever when they deliberately stuck a windfarm directly off the coast of his new golf course. He's spent a couple of decades spending countless millions in losing a bunch of court cases, and of course, to this day, constantly moans to anyone who will list about "windmills".

As far as trolling goes, it's one of the greatest achievements in the history of mankind.

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fooblaster
1 hour ago
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unfortunately this trolling has caused trump to try to halt all large offshore wind projects in the United States in federal land grants. it's terrible.
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thefz
1 hour ago
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Yep absolutely this and not at all big oil money/interest.
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Sharlin
1 hour ago
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Why not both?
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foobarian
1 hour ago
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What would be doubly ironic is if the gold course windmill farm was sponsored by big oil.
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amiga386
1 hour ago
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For the gory details, see

1. Donald Trump's Ego Trip - lessons for the new Scotland (2011) https://andywightman.scot/docs/trumpreport_v1a.pdf

2. You've Been Trumped (2011) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr6efmndvps

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thih9
55 minutes ago
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Wow! I especially like this:

> Scottish people formed a Tripping Up Trump Campaign to make it more difficult to transfer the title to the land, and hundreds of people bought small interests in Forbes' property and became co-owners.

Continued in another article[1]:

> When it emerged at the end of January 2011 that Queen guitarist Brian May had agreed to the use of the band's song "Bohemian Rhapsody" in a film highlighting the plight of the families, Trump appeared to deny in a media statement that there had ever been an eviction threat, declaring "we have no interest in compulsory purchase and have never applied for it."

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Links...

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Havoc
47 minutes ago
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It’s crazy that the US is now run by these clowns out to enrich themselves
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the_doctah
45 minutes ago
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Crazy how if I point out Democrats doing it I will get downvoted
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the_doctah
19 seconds ago
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Update: I am a prophet
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avgDev
34 minutes ago
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Do it.

Both sides SHOULD BE calling out those using the office to enrich themselves. Also, looking at their own party.

We cannot go forward as a nation when people rally up behind their party and only see the issues with the other party.

You have to be blind not to see the crypto grift from the current admin. No republican or democrat has ever done that before.

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thepryz
32 minutes ago
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Out of curiosity, do you have a similar example of a Democrat doing something like this?

Most left leaning people I know aren’t exactly happy with Nancy Pelosi’s insider trading activities and are in full support of outlawing Congress from actively trading and are willing to hold Dems accountable for other unscrupulous actions.

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buellerbueller
26 minutes ago
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ok, show us some facts, buddy
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0x59
53 minutes ago
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Silver lining - It's not oil/gas extraction or mining.
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lifestyleguru
1 hour ago
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The T family acts as everyone expected and warned, they are not stopping, and they are even accelerating. I'm not sure what is the conclusion from this.
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adf-aslk
2 hours ago
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This island was a Russian naval base in the cold war with hundreds of underground nuclear bunkers.

Kushner apparently wants to build a billionaire resort with the protections required to insulate billionaires from their actions. Maybe UAE is too dangerous now.

Here is another article. Try not to be put off by the Rothchild connections, they are mostly irrelevant and based on Kushner's own statements:

https://tomselliott.substack.com/p/what-is-jared-kushner-act...

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water-data-dude
2 hours ago
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If things ever get bad enough that the wealthy need underground nuclear bunkers, the underground nuclear bunkers aren't going to be enough to protect them. The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
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graphime
1 hour ago
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> The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.

Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.

They will simply arrest you, or worse, just kill you.

What’s your solution to that?

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flohofwoe
55 minutes ago
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> Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.

Those cold war bunkers only had one purpose: to keep high ranking government and military peeps alive just long enough (up to 2 weeks or so) to make sure that mutual destruction is actually 'assured'. They were not meant as some sort of cradle of a new civilization or as a safe haven to survive a nuclear war (because there would be no place to return to anyway).

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everyone
1 hour ago
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Have you thought this through fully? In that case who'se supposed to be doing the arresting and killing? -- more ordinary people.

Look at what happened to Ceaușescu for example. He went from being confident in his rule to dead 24 hours later.

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jmye
5 minutes ago
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Yes, ordinary people have famously never killed tens of millions of civilians/undesirables at the orders of the government. Great point.
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jappgar
37 minutes ago
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Robots. That's why they're obsessed with AI and robotics.
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olmo23
53 minutes ago
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What about drones though
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LearnYouALisp
46 minutes ago
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Buster-style microwave backpacks
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stevenpetryk
2 hours ago
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automated war machines are plenty to stop an angry mob imo.
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esseph
1 hour ago
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Now imagine an angry mob with automated war machines
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CamperBob2
46 minutes ago
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Why do you think they're trying to regulate 3D printers and CNC machines all of a sudden?

For that matter, what did you think gun control was for, exactly?

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organsnyder
2 hours ago
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Maybe in some dystopian future. But right now there are still plenty of humans in the loop for supporting those machines.
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everyone
1 hour ago
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Yeah like the elites would have any clue how they operate, like any tech.
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skinfaxi
38 minutes ago
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The Mexican cartels have kidnapped people and forced them to build telephony infra for them.
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abirch
2 hours ago
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It looks like Thiel is betting on Argentina.
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shevy-java
2 hours ago
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That would explain why Milei got so much US money already. I wonder when the people in Argentina wake up and realise this is a problem.
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pjc50
2 hours ago
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Argentina has been a mess for decades.
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java-man
2 hours ago
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as the custom goes, since 1945.
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treis
54 minutes ago
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A billionaire resort with 10,000 hotel rooms...
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throw343
38 minutes ago
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Trump is gonna put tariffs on Albania very soon
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jeffbee
2 hours ago
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Are we sure they're not just negotiating over the price?
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ddorian43
2 hours ago
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Yes. The whole bought media, party in-power, the opposition are against the protests and are trying to downplay them.

Source: I live there. It's very easy to tell if you do.

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tmaly
1 hour ago
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Is the project more of a private residence or something that would bring tourism to the local economy?
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ddorian43
1 hour ago
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There are 2 projects here. And there is a lot of missing details from both.

But what has happened before is that:

The government gives free/cheap/exclusive public land to someone to build apartments/villas. They sell these to whoever wants to buy before starting construction. At the end of construction, with the profits, they build nice hotels at the frontline and keep for themselves without investing any of their own money in anything.

So they will most likely build apartments in Narta, sell them to the populace, and keep Sazan for themselves as luxury resort.

Something worse than this has started happening for high rises too, where they start selling before getting the permit even. So they don't invest their own money even to get the initial permit to start building.

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foobarian
59 minutes ago
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So... it's like a kickstarter for real estate!
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jeffbee
2 hours ago
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I'll take your word for it! But I reflexively add "... at this price" to such statements.
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pjc50
1 hour ago
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People really don't get the idea of intangible cultural heritage and irreplaceable wetlands, do they? Not everything and everyone is for sale.
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mothballed
1 hour ago
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"Wetlands" is poorly understood by commenters in places like USA because there it's largely used as a bad-faith disingenuous prop by development prohibition interests or those seeking to use regulatory capture against smaller business / small land owners.
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ludicrousdispla
1 hour ago
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This isn't the Albanian people's first rodeo...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Albanian_civil_unrest

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notrealyme123
1 hour ago
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What do the locals have from a higher price?
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kelipso
1 hour ago
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Protests by the masses and business negotiations are very different.
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ddorian43
1 hour ago
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Very hard for the general public to gain things though.

It's too luxury, most likely will pay no taxes for years, you can import workers from elsewhere, etc etc.

It's not the first time this kind of thing happens in Albania and we've already seen results.

Normal people will just never be able to go there again. People in power will either get millions or 1+ free apartment/villa, or heavily discounted price (depends on how much power you have).

I was literally kitesurfing when they came and added fences to the road to block access to the beach.

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philipwhiuk
55 minutes ago
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Stop the financialisation of everything.

(Or if you prefer because you are unable to compute that, the price is upfront $70,000 trillion (2025 prices) - cash only)

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hereme888
1 hour ago
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The evidence so far hints more at Albania’s weak rule of law/property/environmental governance and ugly conflict-of-interest more than Kushner being part of some evil conspiracy.
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cmrdporcupine
32 minutes ago
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Seems like a bit from both column A and column B, personally.
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qwlart
1 hour ago
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Weird flagging in this submission. Pointing out that billionaires build nuclear bunkers is not allowed even though it is public knowledge.
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HumblyTossed
1 hour ago
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Some of the messaging around this by the people trying to build this out is so tone deaf. I think they know and that's why they're building bunkers.
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kilroy123
1 hour ago
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Which is actually pretty shortsighted.

What if we just made a strong middle class? Made sure they had a LOT more money? Then they could just buy more stuff and services.

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Sharlin
1 hour ago
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These poor billionaires are just trying to make ends meet like any of us.
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shevy-java
2 hours ago
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The USA is currently run by oligarchs. They try to buy their way into other countries via corruption. How much kickback did the government of Albania get already? It is highly suspicious how supportive they are of Trump.
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nullorempty
1 hour ago
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You can be sure they are getting paid off. It's sickening.

In the past the wealthy families would fund building churches, hospitals, housing for poor.

Nowadays' oligarchs aren't that kind.

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andix
1 hour ago
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Incompetent oligarchs. If you can't even successfully bribe the Albanian or Serbian government, you are just really bad at corruption. Those are (sadly) among the most corrupt countries in the world.

edit: the governments appear to be supportive, but obviously aren't as supportive as they could be. Probably taking the bribe and not doing as much as they could.

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ddorian43
2 hours ago
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When Trump was running for the first time, the prime minister was extremely against Trump and even ridiculed him publicly on interviews "shame of our civilization" https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/13/albanian-prime-minister...

Which backfired after Trump won twice in US. But it's just business.

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gigatexal
1 hour ago
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YES! More of this. Such places and people are not for sale. What kind of sickos think they can just see a place and say "I've got money, these know-nothing-barefoot-fools will take our money and let us rape their lands!"?

And on top of that it's Trump kids, yeet them into the sea.

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roysting
1 hour ago
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dang
30 minutes ago
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If you've read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, this is obviously not what this site is for, so please don't post like this.
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kevin_thibedeau
1 hour ago
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They want to upstage Putin's Black Sea palace in a place where they can bribe their way out of extradition.
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hereweare26
1 hour ago
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This kind of talk used to be a lot more common in our grandparents' time. It's sad to see the best and the brightest of our times going back to it.
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hedora
38 minutes ago
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Your point is that the rhetoric of the late 1800s running into WWII was, by far, the worst thing that happened during that time period, just like now?

I emphatically disagree.

However, there was widespread vilification of cephalopods on all sides of multiple wars during that time period:

https://neverwasmag.com/2017/08/the-octopus-in-political-car...

(To be clear, I don’t hate any sea creatures.)

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superloika
50 minutes ago
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Our grandparents were right, and right to say this.
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cmrdporcupine
42 minutes ago
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I think parent poster is implying that the language is directed at or about Kushner's Jewish ethnicity.

Which I don't think is the intent of anybody in this thread. We're just talking about them being privileged and rich.

I do think it's important to avoid accidental or deliberate anti-Semitism when talking here though. Epstein and Kushner being Jewish has zero to do with their vileness, but for a segment of the population it's all too easy to unconsciously (or worse, consciously) make a linkage between old vile anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Rothschilds or whatever.

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RobotToaster
32 minutes ago
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You mean when the industrial revolution put a lot of people out of work, and lowered living standards for most workers?

Gee, I wonder what could be happening that's similar to that.

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toasty228
1 hour ago
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lmao, every. single. time.

Criticise a jewish person for something completely unrelated: infinite amount of green accounts created on the spot come in and start vaguely referencing "ThE DaRkEsT TiMe In HiStOrY".

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jazzyjackson
33 minutes ago
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OP did say “his kind”, leaving it as an exercise for the reader
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cmrdporcupine
15 minutes ago
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<500 karma account throwing stones in glass houses.

I raised concerns about your framing, and I think you'll find I'm not a green account. By far.

Please don't drag this forum down. With my own opinions... I wouldn't complain about "Class War" language, but your posts concern me.

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dopple
1 hour ago
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It would indeed be surprising to hear people say this if you completely ignore the words and actions of the Epstein class and the overwhelming amount of pain and suffering they afflict on everyone else.
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armchairhacker
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joewhale
45 minutes ago
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how do you define social media?
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armchairhacker
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the_doctah
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It's becoming more like Reddit, that's for sure
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dang
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iwontberude
37 minutes ago
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Wow what an insightful comment we haven’t heard repeated for over a decade here.
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appplication
1 hour ago
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This is off topic and I understand we’re not supposed to comment on such things, but was anyone else mystified by the decisions that went into the scroll progress bar up top (on mobile)? It seems to be two part, where part of it would accurately reflect your scroll state, while the other had some weird latency associated with it. And then it ended up hidden behind the top of page blur unless you scrolled very aggressively, to the point where the blur could not keep up.
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antiframe
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It works for me. I didn't dismiss the first dickover, but did dismiss the second dickover. Scrolled all the way to the bottom smoothly (minus the pause for the second dickover).
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mythrwy
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Headline: "A large comet is approaching the earth and all life is expected to be wiped out within 20 days"

HN: "The scrollbar is two pixels too narrow on the article!"

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