Iran Delays U.S. Peace Talks over Israeli Attacks in Lebanon
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sschueller
2 days ago
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Lebanon being part of the deal requirement by Iran is a brilliant tactical move. It tests how serious the US is in keeping up their end of the deal and it causes severe infighting internally in the US. Iran managed to cause conflict between two allies.
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jjgreen
1 day ago
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Quite right. Prediction: Iran suspends talks (but keeps Hormuz open) whenever Israel attacks, Israel can't help itself, it keeps attacking, so in 60 days, no substantive discussions have occurred. So what does the US do then?
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pseudohadamard
22 hours ago
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I saw it more the other way round: Netanyahu has been given a magic switch to sabotage the deal whenever he feels like it, and given that he wants to destroy Iran no matter what the cost...
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Jamesbeam
1 day ago
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It's even better long term strategically for Iran.

They now know they can close the straight whenever they please and the mightiest military in the world is not able to open it back up.

The straight and the confidence in their ability to survive complete air dominance by two of the most sophisticated military forces in the world is Irans new A-Bomb.

Which is a complete disaster for Israel.

Israelis never need to forget two things before the next election, the Oct 7th atrocities were carried out by Hamas, and everyone who participated deserves to be hunted and killed with the same brutality they murdered and raped elderly and children with, but equally important, it was the Israeli PM who allowed this to happen by his inflated ego, creating an "impenetrable" high tech border with sensors and outposts that were beaten by a few caterpillars and hanggliders.

For Bibi not going to jail he has to keep his forever wars up so the people of Israel are distracted and not able to finally mourn the victims properly and asking the important question why did this happen in the first place and who needs to take full responsibility for it.

So Iran trapped the Israeli PM who thought he could control Trump and the narrative and they got completely outplayed by the Iranians.

Iran managed to get Bibi the Zelensky treatment and now the US President is publicly humiliating the Israeli PM into submission by letting trump ramble publicly about how weak, insane and isolated Bibi is.

So either Bibi becomes Trump's bitch and misses all of his war goals which will get him eaten alive by the Israelis asking themselves why they all suffered through this? Or he keeps whatever dignity is left in that old meat bag and can kiss his freedom and legacy goodbye.

Oh and lets not forget the US lost this war using AI. Which speaks a lot against using the technology in a military context. It produced a lot of noise / kills which did not translate into a better strategic outcome, more control or in the end winning the war.

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lorecore
1 day ago
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> Hamas, and everyone who participated deserves to be hunted and killed with the same brutality they murdered and raped elderly and children with

This never happened. There were no rapes, no elderly nor children were raped. Please do not spread false information.

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Jamesbeam
1 day ago
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It did happen and it's important to not deny that it happened.

I will and did call out IDF war crimes before as well.

There is !!overwhelming!! eye witness account and confirmation by internationally recognized bodies of the monstrosities the Hamas cowards did to their victims.

I will not cite the dozens of Israeli reports because we both know even first responders from ZAKA lied. But there were multiple independent investigations coming to the same conclusion.

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm

https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/wp-content/uploa...

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n25/108/72/pdf/n25108...

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ocodo
23 hours ago
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Make sure to cite the Hannibal Directive.
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lorecore
15 hours ago
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It didn't happen and there's not a single verified report of rape committed by Hamas in any of these links. It's actually shameful that they make these broad accusations with no proof cited. There is also absolutely no accusation of Hamas raping babies or the elderly. Yes women were killed; a tiny, tiny fraction compared to the number of Palestinian women killed by Zionists prior to Oct 7th. Hamas are resistance and resistance isn't going to be pretty, but it is justified and it's nothing compared to Nakba and the 75 year occupation and genocide of Palestine.
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ghostDancer
2 days ago
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It was clear that Israel did not want the peace agreement so they were going to sabotage it and this will show that USA has not any control or power over what Israel is doing.
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Gibbon1
1 day ago
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There is a tenancy to believe Israel is a vassal state that does the US's bidding. The actual record says not really.

And also Israel is only able to resist being conquered by it's Arab neighbors because of the US. Record says also no.

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pjjpo
1 day ago
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If the latter is no, I do hope the US finally ends military aid to Israel. I really doubt it will happen, but if the record says it should be ok, then that would be really great.
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da-x
1 day ago
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Israel itself is in favor of this, to reduce US influence on its arms exports. Everybody wins.
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salemh
1 day ago
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Its just sleight of hand.

Congress quietly moves to integrate US and Israeli militaries

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-us-military/

Netanyahu Pushes Congress to Adopt a New Structure for US Military Aid to Israel

https://truthout.org/articles/netanyahu-pushes-congress-to-a...

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da-x
16 hours ago
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The "fuse the militaries / more susceptible to Israeli whims" framing seems to be the hand-wavy part of those articles. If you read the referred Section 224 you'd see details of the expanded scope of cooperation in tech domains and info sharing, and also in transparency and oversight.
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ndiddy
1 day ago
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Yeah the goal isn't to actually end military aid to Israel, it's to move the military aid under the vague DoD accounting process so nobody outside the DoD knows what's actually being sent.
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ndiddy
1 day ago
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Itamar Ben-Gvir, the Israeli Minister of National Security, released a statement this morning regarding Israel's attacks in Lebanon: https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/2067865510281170957

> For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn!

> With all due respect to the Americans, Israel must make it clear to the entire world that the blood of our sons and the security of our citizens are not forfeit. All of Lebanon must burn. Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens of Israel and the soldiers of the IDF, and this commitment takes precedence over every other consideration.

> I told the Prime Minister, even in our private meetings: For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep.

> Enough with the ping-pong. In the Middle East, you don’t win with measured responses and restraint—you need to go berserk. To obliterate. To crush the terror.

Notably, the same strategy of disproportionate response was used by Germany during World War II to suppress insurgent groups in territories that Germany was occupying. Some examples of this include the Kragujevac massacre, where they responded to insurgent groups killing 10 Germans and wounding 26 others by killing around 2800 Serbs, and the Ardeatine massacre, where they responded to an insurgent group killing 33 Germans by killing 335 Italians.

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dasdsadsadsadsa
1 day ago
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For context, far-right people in Israel killed their own Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin due to his peace efforts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

Ben-Gvir is so far-right, that he celebrates the murder of his own PM:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-04/ty-article/.p...

context: My close fried lost his cousin due to Hamas murders on Oct. 7. I am not anti-Israel in any way. I just want everyone to be aware of how far-right bibi has taken Israel to avoid prison, and his other plans. He put Ben-Gvir, who is hated in Israel, into government.

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comrade1234
1 day ago
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We'll see what happens but I read that the parts about Lebanon are more to placate a few hardliners in Iran but won't actually be followed through on. The economic parts of the deal are just too good in irans favor to put it at risk.
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rchaud
1 day ago
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Why would any country trust the current US regime to follow through on its commitments? They weren't even able to maintain a ceasefire during the agreed-upon ceasefire period?

Beyond that, what would prevent the next administration from unilaterally decreeing this current agreement null and void as was done with the JCPOA? They certainly aren't going to want to bear the brunt of political unpopularity of paying out billions in war reparations.

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spwa4
1 day ago
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Because you're always looking about a comparison, a choice. Holding the world economy hostage placates some egos at incredible cost to Iran ... or agreeing to the US commitments, problems and all.

The superior option is obviously to trust the US.

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rchaud
1 day ago
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Iran is already under decades-long sanctions and have shown that their ability to wait out the US+Israel was massively underestimated.

After Vietnam and Afghanistan, has the US not learned that countries at war are willing to incur costs well beyond what the State Department thinks they should?

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josefritzishere
1 day ago
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It would be hard for this to be any more predictable. Trump walked straight into the obvious trap that the last 12 presidents managed not to step in.
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sys_64738
1 day ago
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Seems Trump can't control his boy.
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