My 1992 view of the problems of computer programming in 1992
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ch_123
1 hour ago
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I agree with the overall point of the article, but I feel compelled to be _that guy_ and point out that most of IBM's systems programming involved various dialects of PL/I, not Fortran, and they went through a bunch of different iterations on those compilers and their code generators.
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adamddev1
1 hour ago
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How did we get so much better at writing compilers? Was it a better understanding of how to make syntax trees with ADTs etc?
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shakna
2 hours ago
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Fortran H was faster than the fastest punchcard feeder of the time. That bottleneck is unfortunately long gone, without the same magnitude of improvement on the other side. (Physical limits, amazing optimisations, etc.)

Last time I was working with CCE, I was looking at blistering runtime speeds, but six or seven hour compiles. Huge codebase (40mil+ LoC), and the optimisations were great, but not exactly a fantastic dev lifestyle.

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wood_spirit
1 hour ago
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Beautifully written but when the lack of a better compiler gets attributed to rational actions my brain glitched. That’s not fitting my mental model of how big corps operate at all!

Occam’s razor IBM didn’t invest in Fortran I because the internal political environment at the corporation didn’t have the incentives aligned to do so. This is completely orthogonal to whether they could have used a better compiler or not.

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KptMarchewa
3 hours ago
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The definition of "passable compiler" in 1992 must have been very different from what it is today; while third year students write interpreters and compilers, nobody would call them useful or passable.
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BigTTYGothGF
1 hour ago
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> The definition of "passable compiler" in 1992 must have been very different from what it is today;

It was.

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photios
4 hours ago
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> Now a question: Since we're obviously thousands of times better at producing compilers than we were fifteen years ago, so much so that a single undergraduate can write a passable one in four months, why hasn't IBM invested millions of dollars and hundreds of programmer-years to produce a super FORTRAN I compiler that's thousands of times better than the FORTRAN H compiler?

s/FORTRAN I/Mythos/ for the 2026 version of this.

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inigyou
53 minutes ago
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But they did invest billions in a super-Opus, which they called Mythos.
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zeech
2 hours ago
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Jtsummers
1 hour ago
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This submission was made two days earlier than the one you linked to, it just came back through the second chance pool. Not a dupe.
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uberex
3 hours ago
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Beautifully written. Was this a note to self. If so amazing.
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baddash
4 hours ago
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what do you think of it?
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