Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology
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3 days ago
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| blog.hydroponictrash.solar
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nl
31 minutes ago
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I read the article and sadly I think the author missed a key thing that is going on.

Yes, there are few people who created cyberdecks as a counter-culture, anti-company tool (which is a lot of what the author argues).

But some of the newer ones they highlight are nothing more than engagement farming reels. They are the very definition of the opposite of what the author writes here:

> We want to escape the algorithmic plantations that tech companies have herded us into.

I don't know of they fail to see this because they are blinded by their hope or there is a more complex viewpoint I'm missing.

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edgarvaldes
10 minutes ago
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Agree. Any hobby can become superficial content for Instagram, especially if your only or main source of information is online channels. But real communities exist, and you need to be in the real world to experience them firsthand.
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nl
7 minutes ago
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Not arguing that real communities don't exist!

I'm arguing that the author's main point is based on the Instagram posts, and this is invalid.

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nl
2 hours ago
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I recently got a (good!) 3D printer, and that combined with Claude has got me building lots of custom hardware devices using ESP32s.

I don't really see the value in a full-computer experience (which seems to be what most cyberdecks try to do - badly) but I can see utility in "sidecar"-style hardware, which is more akin to a phone app but with a better experience because of custom hardware.

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stackghost
2 hours ago
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I'd be very interested in reading about the kinds of hardware projects you're doing with esp32s and your printer!
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nl
1 hour ago
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I have a (very much!) enhanced version of https://github.com/anthropics/claude-desktop-buddy running on a different ESP32 board with a case: https://github.com/nlothian/claude-desktop-buddy-FNK010B/tre...

I have a bunch of Home Assistant controls using a variety of custom controls and cases.

I have a custom version of Seeed's ESPClaw (https://github.com/Seeed-Projects/espclaw - there are a lot of other ESP Claws too) with a case.

I'm working on a Tamgotchi-style mini-game device using ESP-NOW to connect with nearby devices.

Lots of other random projects at various stages of development.

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cobertos
1 hour ago
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Any chance you have or could post pics of those custom HA controllers? Seeing custom interactables and how they integrate with ppl's environments are always suuuuper interesting
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nl
55 minutes ago
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https://imgur.com/a/p7P1WBt

One-shotted LVGL UI (which I think it a bit ugly).

A Bluetooth gateway has a flat battery so 2 temperature sensors aren't getting relayed.

This is a Guition ESP32-S3-4848S040 board with this case https://makerworld.com/en/models/2859961-guition-4-esp32-s3-...

About $25 in total I think.

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icedrift
2 hours ago
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Something I've been doing is making an automated hydroponic tent. Temp, humidity, EC sensors and a few servos to control nutrients all feed into an esp32 + servo controller and broadcast data through a local webapp. Just need to add a camera for timelapses and remote viewing.
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ideasphere
3 hours ago
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Cyberdecks are nice for photos and build blog posts, but does anyone actually regularly use them?
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yummypaint
2 hours ago
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For general compute they will lose to a laptop, but that isn't supposed to be their purpose. I think the best use cases require extra hardware that would make a laptop too bulky or awkward. For example a deck with a VNA, SDR, scope, and arbitrary waveform generator for field work with radio equipment. The traditional computer capabilities are sort of extra. Any sort of diagnostic "cart" with a dedicated computer and a bunch of test equipment could be a candidate for miniaturization.
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ThrowawayR2
1 hour ago
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> "For example a deck with a VNA, SDR, scope, and arbitrary waveform generator for field work with radio equipment."

Any real world examples? I don't think that's plausible from a RFI, power, heat, or just plain fragility perspective even with the cheapo hobbyist instruments suitable for kitbashing and only energizing a couple of instruments a time.

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inigyou
1 hour ago
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I'm imagining a computer set up for DJing with big-ass speakers on the outside top lid, and a bunch of analog controls on either side of the keyboard, and a heavy battery.
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sublinear
42 minutes ago
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That's not only possible, but was done to death in the early 2000s during the heyday of car audio components, "home theater" PCs, iPods, and finally good enough laptops.

If you built one of those you were automatically the DJ after school, at the skate park, etc. You better believe those SLA batteries were heavy.

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muyuu
47 minutes ago
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Idk if it merits being called a cyberdeck, but i use my rickety suitcase tablet+keyboard+mouse (+ powerbank) setup which I VNC from to my house computers mainly. One of the reasons is local LLMs being often impractical to run directly in my laptop, especially as I also do other things. Before that I didn't use it as much. Sometimes I just put the laptop and the mouse in the suitcase, mainly because I find the trackpad virtually unusable for VNC, particularly for copy-paste.
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matheusmoreira
2 hours ago
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Been working on a handheld cyberdeck with a good thumb keyboard. I'm masochistic enough to write entire projects on my smartphone with vim running inside termux, so I think anything that improves on this will certainly be used.

Measured my thumb's swiping arc and designed a split keyboard specifically for my hands. Managed to get every symbol in there with no layers. Now I just need to save up some money and order protypes so I can get a feel for the switches. Can't move forward until I've perfected the keyboard.

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overvale
1 hour ago
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They're interactive art projects!
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tartoran
2 hours ago
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I got a ClockworkPi uConsole and am not really using it much, and that’s because it’s become very hard for me to read on the high dpi small screen for too long.
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glaslong
2 hours ago
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More of a fun Maker project for sure
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Retr0id
3 hours ago
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The ideal "cyberdeck" form factor is just a regular laptop. So to the extent that a macbook pro counts as a cyberdeck, yes.
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skydhash
1 hour ago
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The two non computer device I use today are my digital audio player (DAP) and my ereader. If I have the time and money, that would be the kind of specialized tasks that I could design a cyberdeck towards. The laptop form factor is quite nice for computing although I would like more direct ports than USB which is complex for experimentation.
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functionmouse
3 hours ago
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no, they're plastic crap for kickstarter photos. not designed for human hands.

They once existed (see Sony Vaio P 2nd gen; coolest thing in the universe) but modern OEMs no longer have such taste.

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colechristensen
3 hours ago
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I always wanted one of the tiny form factor laptops but during that period I had a specific need for a real non-usb hardware serial port and instead bought a laptop that actually had one which was very strange (2009 maybe?)
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inigyou
2 hours ago
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At CCCamp 2023 was someone showing off how they converted a laptop with a broken screen into a cyberdeck by removing the screen and permanently connecting the bottom half to VR glasses.

There was also a musical Tesla coil. And some group called Anderstorp, who converted a massive obsolete router into a beer tap.

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NDlurker
56 minutes ago
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I'll just wait until I can jack in with a jailbroken Neuralink.
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noosphr
1 minute ago
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If you already have the electrodes installed in your brain you can use stimulation circuitry from the courtocal labs cl1 to get a bidirectional bci.

https://corticallabs.com/cl1

Unfortunately getting that as elective surgery is impossible in the developed world and the quality of Brazilian back alley brain surgery leaves a lot to be desired.

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jesse_dot_id
2 hours ago
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I became an engineer because I'm lazy.
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