AI children's books, body horror edition
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Paria_Stark
8 minutes ago
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The concept of consuming AI generated content for children has always baffled me.

We collectively have a virtually infinite collection of already existing hand crafted quality content filtered over the years in the form of children stories and tales that we can pick and chose from to read to our children. We love telling stories especially to our children.

Why would ANYONE be enticed by the idea of using AI to generate tales when there are so many out there to tap from is really beyond my comprehension.

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awakeasleep
27 seconds ago
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While I agree with your main point, this isn't exactly true.

The quality content in children's media does NOT survive through the ages. There are so many other incentives in children's publishing that quality for children is but one signal among many. Like how a parent will buy a book that teaches a 'good lesson' as a proxy for a good book, which is harder to determine.

On top of that, there are systems at play that limit the impact of curators who really put the work in to identify good children's books. For example, a children's librarian has to buy books through the city or county procurement process. Only certain vendors will have registered as a valid supplier to the procurement team, and then they have a chokehold on what can be bought for the library, so they can offer their shovelware with larger margin, along with a few compromises about the inclusion of known-good books.

This is so apparent as a parent that loves to read. It feels like things are even worse than Sturgeon's law would make you think.

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thatguy0900
3 minutes ago
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You could say that about pretty much any form of media, people just like new stuff more than old stuff. There's more 9 and 10/10 movies than most people would watch in their lifetime already but people will go see some forgettable trash movie in the theater instead.
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cfmcdonald
1 minute ago
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This seems like an opportunity to celebrate great children's books created with craft and care by humans.

I'll start: John Rocco, How We Got to the Moon. (http://www.howwegottothemoon.com/)

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robertclaus
45 minutes ago
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The lack of real effort bothers me more than the content itself. We can't be bothered to even proofread children's books anymore?
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NothingAboutAny
19 minutes ago
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the lack of effort has been the main thing for me since this all started. you give people a tool to do something easier and instead of doing more WITH the tool they do this instead. is anyone out there using AI to make more higher quality children's books than were possible before?
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supriyo-biswas
2 minutes ago
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I don't think there has ever been an appetite amongst corporations to improve the quality of their products if they can easily get away with reducing costs.
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kaizenite
6 minutes ago
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I think its always been a thing. Give a society any new technology and the distribution curve of human effort doesn’t disappear: a slice of people will aim it at entertainment, shortcuts, and the lowest common denominator (this book), and a smaller slice with high discipline and curiousity will use the exact same tools to become 10x more capable. The tech changes; the distribution of how people use it mostly doesn’t
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altmanaltman
14 minutes ago
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Because openai and other ai companies spend billions convincing people that they dont need to put in effort as long as they use AI. They literally think they are interacting with a hyperintelligence that is so smart it will destroy the planet eventually. Why would you spellcheck a digital god? Why not just push straight to publish and "automate" everything.

Over time, i hope the chickens come to roost.

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api
20 minutes ago
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These are not made by people who care. It’s a scam basically. Spamming Amazon with slop is a current hustle culture thing. There’s guides, probably AI generated and not proofread, explaining how to do it. They obviously have tricks to game the rankings since these books get recommended like mad in every category.

It’s today’s hot successor to the big drop shipping craze, which is also still happening, and has destroyed Etsy. That was another hustle culture thing. I remember hearing something about it being one of the get rich scams Andrew Tate was teaching at his thing.

You could use AI to help make a good book like this, but you would proofread and fact check it and sit there and converse with the AI and tell it all the stuff to fix… just like vibe coding.

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altmanaltman
10 minutes ago
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I understand you can use AI to make a good book but you can also make a good book without AI. Why does AI have to be involved at all? Were we running out of children books that we need to optimize a factory assembly line for them with AI?

It's like there are some things that do not even need AI and thats okay. Children's books also don't need a hurculean effort to write/create (the part ai tries to automate and fs up). In fact, its almost entirely about the concept and direct execution.

You mention vibe coding but this is fundamentally different and it doesnt apply

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Analemma_
42 minutes ago
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I assume these aren't being published by major publishing houses but rather microbrands and print-on-demand services. They're, like, bypassing gatekeepers and democratizing knowledge, man. Why do you hate freedom so much?
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JSR_FDED
13 minutes ago
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Yes we should celebrate these plucky entrepreneurs!
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api
13 minutes ago
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There was a window where new authors could break in with blogging and self publishing. Andy Weir (The Martian, Project Hail Mary, and the bad one that shall not be named) got started this way I think.

That window is now closed. If I wanted to be an author I’d probably try to get a real publisher, with all the downsides that entails.

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Avicebron
39 minutes ago
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the slop must flow
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rdtsc
34 minutes ago
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For a moment I entertained the idea that these are intentionally bad to get people to buy them as gag gifts. My kids and I certainly had a good laugh looking at the pictures in blog. That second picture of the jaw sticking out had my son ROFL-ing.
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userbinator
2 minutes ago
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I lost it at the owl one. Tube shape. Skull. Big eye.

It's like surreal absurdist art.

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esafak
2 minutes ago
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This has been bothering me too. When I borrow a new kid's book from the library I now wonder if the illustration or text were computer generated.
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Gigachad
26 minutes ago
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I've been wondering what the long term result on peoples perceptions of reality will be after all this AI slop. I've noticed a lot of the times I can spot AI slop videos because they just don't match what I know to be true, I can think "That's an AI video of a fox because I know foxes don't act/move like that" But then the only reason I know that is because I've seen hundreds of videos on the internet before AI generated video was a thing. But someone who grew up seeing AI slop from the start doesn't have that firm grasp on reality to spot fake content from.
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JSR_FDED
16 minutes ago
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Sometimes I feel we need to accelerate this trend. We need to collectively drown in a tsunami of slop. Only then will we decide to value quality.
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aaronbrethorst
19 minutes ago
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Those pictures make me think of Attack on Titan for some reason.
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hasteg
28 minutes ago
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There are some things that I feel really shouldn't be enshitified by AI and this is one of them. Sad world TBH.
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blharr
20 minutes ago
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Slop aimed towards children has practically _always_ existed. The "100,000 whys" naming reminds me of an old "700000 games" CD

AI slop is just a more complete reimplementation of the "shovelware" from the 90s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovelware

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raincole
5 minutes ago
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In case you're not aware, 100,000 whys is a well-established name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Hundred_Thousand_Whys

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api
17 minutes ago
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The category of thing is not new. The level of industrialization and quantity is new.

Slop on social media also predates AI but at least back then someone had to make it… usually people in poorer countries using it to game algorithms for monetization.

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luciana1u
31 minutes ago
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reminds me the meme that a man hiding in the vending machine...
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