The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the far-right Swedish Örebro party
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stefanfisk
1 hour ago
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To be fair, Örebropartiet can also be called an extreme left party. It’s complicated…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party

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hootz
1 hour ago
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I don't see how, given their answers to simple questions as described in the "2026 run up to the elections" section, this party could ever be considered a leftist party.
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wongarsu
1 hour ago
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They are very pro education. But that's basically the only thing, all the other answers are enthusiastic right wing answers
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Sammi
1 hour ago
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Horseshoe Theory strikes again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

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microgpt
4 minutes ago
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Horseshoe theory, rather than being as described,is actually caused by far right parties being more willing to label themselves as left. E.g. national socialists.
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flohofwoe
1 hour ago
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Sounds like the logical evolution of left/right-populism into 'absolutist-populism' ;)
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mrtksn
1 hour ago
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That's typical for extremist parties, AKA Horseshoe theory. IRL Erdogan's party went so far to the right that they started actually adopting very socialist/communist policies. The party names is AKP which stands for "justice and development party" but many people are calling it "Allahs Communist Party" since in Turkish communist is written with K and they are islamists doing communist stuff.
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catheter
1 hour ago
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It doesn't seem that complicated to be honest with you. That is how they self identify but none of their policies seem particularly left wing. At least not from that Wikipedia page. Extremely left wing dental care is the best I will give them.
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flohofwoe
1 hour ago
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> Extremely left wing dental care is the best I will give them.

Free dental care is considered "extemely left wing" now? That's just bizarre tbh.

If a country would decide to use tax money to provide health care services for free to everybody that's not much different than using tax money to maintain an infrastructure network that's free to use (like roads), or free police and firefighting services - and I think none of those examples are considered particularly 'left-wing'.

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catheter
26 minutes ago
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I was being facetious. Unfortunately enlightened horseshoe centrists didn't want to hear.
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microgpt
4 minutes ago
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They're all left-wing
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pluc
1 hour ago
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Their stance seems to be "people can do things on their own personal time":

https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681

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cryo32
13 minutes ago
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And we can choose not to fund those things.
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eckesicle
1 hour ago
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I saw this a couple of days ago, here's the original article that broke the news, in Swedish: https://www.flamman.se/techprofil-ger-miljoner-till-orebropa...

It includes a short statement from the CEO.

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cryo32
1 hour ago
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Well guess I won’t be renewing my subscription this month then.

Any other verified sources?

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microgpt
4 minutes ago
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Will you be creating a VPN?
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Risse
1 hour ago
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Somewhat of a verification, here's Mullvad's response to the post on Mastodon: https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
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cryo32
57 minutes ago
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Thanks. Also fuck.
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yaris
1 hour ago
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I try to turn it other way in my head, like if Mullvad got to know somehow political views of some of their customers and say "We don't like what you say, so we decide to end our business with you. We don't want our infra to be used to spread opinions like yours."
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piva00
2 minutes ago
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They could do it, some people would align with that stance, and some wouldn't. Exactly how it plays out being a customer: now we've discovered he supports a far-right party here in Sweden, I can choose to not support the CEO with my money and let others know about their political leaning to decide by themselves if they want to support him and his business aware that their money might got to far-right parties.

I don't see any issue with your flipped argument, it's the same thing, no?

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lompad
1 hour ago
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Damn. Well, if that gets confirmed I'm going to get my company off mullvad.
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amarant
1 hour ago
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It's confirmed. And the party in question is quite extreme, at least by Swedish standards.
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Gud
7 minutes ago
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They are not “extreme”.
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yaris
34 minutes ago
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According to polls[0] the party gets ~20% votes in their region. IMHO 20% of voters can't be "extreme" [0] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/orebro/orebropartiet-nast-... (swedish)
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microgpt
3 minutes ago
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> IMHO 20% of voters can't be "extreme"

Was the NSDAP "extreme"? They got 43.9%

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gpvos
1 hour ago
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"Mullvad AB and its parent company Amagicom AB are 100% owned by founders [1 person] and Daniel Berntsson [...]"[0]

So I'll assume he owns about 50%. Well, that ends my usage of Mullvad.[1] I appreciate that probably many of Mullvad's employees have different views, and obviously Berntsson has every right to his opinions and to express them, and I also appreciate that someone can have control over an opinionated company and run it for one particular set of reasons but not for other causes that someone believes in, but in the end I just don't want my money supporting anti-people causes.

[0] https://mullvad.net/en/about

[1] If it was a small amount, say less than 5% or maybe 10%, I might have decided differently. But it's still millions, so probably not.

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orliesaurus
1 hour ago
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does it change your trust in the company?

For some people, the answer is obviously yes. For others, they'll judge Mullvad purely by its track record, audits, and technical design.

Honestly, you could say the same about the CEO of ANDURIL in the US - the Oculus guy...but he just cares about the US and wants to make money by making weapon systems etc.

Is he a bad person? Is he a patriot? Who knows, I ain't gonna play the ultimate judge game - but he did release a cool gameboy clone which is literally the closest I will ever get to his work... [1]

[1] https://modretro.com

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exitb
1 hour ago
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It's not only about trust, but also about not wanting to give money to an entity that will pass it on to a political party you don't want to support.
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hootz
1 hour ago
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Yes, not only trust but my willingness to contribute money towards his paycheck. I don't want my money to end up in far-right parties.
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pluc
1 hour ago
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Look at Zuck and Musk. Their platforms are still used by millions. It's only "us" that care about the pedigree of our tech founders, most people couldn't care less.
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microgpt
1 minute ago
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There has to be some reason that so many projects are started by right wing people. Something in their personality that makes them both RW and willing to start lots of projects.
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toyg
1 hour ago
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In some ways I would say it could even increase trust: if the guy is a privacy absolutist, ultra-libertarian, "my business is not the state's business" type, his VPN products are likely to be pretty good.

On the other hand, he might have other strong right-wing views that users don't agree with, and which might take precedence in one's set of priorities. If I like football and they like football, but they also want to kill me because of <other reason>, I don't think I'd want to give them my money.

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echelon
1 hour ago
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Wanted to mention the Analogue since ModRetro was mentioned.

https://www.analogue.co/products

https://www.analogue.co/editions

I think these look a lot cooler, though they're less hackable.

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DrProtic
1 hour ago
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Great, I will definitely go out of my way to purchase their products.

Uncontrolled migration needs to stop.

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microgpt
1 minute ago
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What does that mean?
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lukewarm707
1 hour ago
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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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jzb
1 hour ago
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A right to say something is not the same as the right to say (and do) something without being called out on it.

He has the right to do what he’s doing. Other people have the right to react and say “That sucks, it’s against my values, I no longer trust you or want to do business with you.”

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hootz
1 hour ago
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There are some things that I won't ever defend your right of saying them, to be honest.
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teekert
1 hour ago
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Agree. This is more of a "ST Voyager 'Nothing Human'"-case.
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teekert
1 hour ago
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We need to add something to this nice rule about using services that are good from people we don't (fully) agree with.

I'm not personally inclined to be so strict about this, but there are people with objections against the Proton CEO who once agreed with Trump on twitter, or DHH (there is this one blogpost about his extreme views). Etc.

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msk2k
1 hour ago
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Companies funding far-left parties seem to be much bigger problem.
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mrtksn
1 hour ago
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previously discussed[flagged: 251 comments]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48687508
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gpvos
1 hour ago
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Including a statement from the other founder.
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pluc
1 hour ago
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This one's gone too.
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decide1000
1 hour ago
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If this is real I will stop my monthly subscriptions.
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unsupp0rted
1 hour ago
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I’m not Swedish. Does Mullvad do what it says on the tin? That’s all that matters.

The CEO’s extracurricular activities are none of my business.

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leokennis
45 minutes ago
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Let's draw this to its ultimate conclusion.

Would you subscribe to an excellent VPN service, if it was run by [insert universally abhorred brutal dictator from history here]?

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yaris
18 minutes ago
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A thought experiment:

Let's think of the other extreme as well: exactly the same excellent VPN service, is run by an almost-the-best-person-in-the-world who has just one small quirk that makes them not 100% perfect for you (they pat kittens not as often as you'd like them to do). Obviously there is a border between your extreme and mine, which border defines "use" and "no use" cases for you. And now: wherever this border is - should it be the same for everyone?

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leokennis
12 minutes ago
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I agree there might be a more or les arbitrary border, and it will probably be in different places for different people.

However the original statement:

> The CEO’s extracurricular activities are none of my business.

Basically says that no border should exist, and it makes no difference at all who provided the service as long as the service itself is excellent.

That is a fundamentally different argument that I very much disagree with.

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iamnothere
13 minutes ago
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Next iteration of this smear article: “Mullvad is basically HitlerVPN”
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bill_mcgonigle
1 hour ago
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Left/right doesn't matter much for a no-logs VPN.

Up/Down (authoritarian/libertarian) is what matters there.

If he has high allegiance to the extant power structure then promises should be questioned.

If he is for radical decentralization and antiwar then I'm more likely to trust promises made about privacy and autonomy.

Then there's international confusion about left/right. Scandinavia is known as a good place to run a business because businesses regulation is much lighter than places like the US which are heavily regulated. In the US business regulation is "left wing" in Scandinavia it's "right wing".

We'd use a 14-dimensional vector for political positioning if we wanted to be studious but most folks are just looking for a friend/enemy distinction. Even many of the comments here looking to dump a well-regarded service if either "tastes great" or "less filling" is confirmed. The false dialectic as means of control and all that jazz.

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pu_pe
1 hour ago
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Any suggestions for a VPN service with similar security standards as Mullvad?
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graemep
1 hour ago
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The party in question seems to be an anti-immigration strongly secularist left wing party with Marxist roots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party

I am not sure "far right" is an accurate label. Maybe populist? Its a mix that would probably get a lot of support in other European countries.

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pyuser583
1 hour ago
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Aren’t Swedish political parties mostly publicly funded?
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wongarsu
1 hour ago
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The wikipedia article about the party is pretty interesting [1]. "The party has also been described as both right-wing populist and left-wing populist as well as left-conservative"

The party was founded after the founder was thrown out of the Left party for liking a far-left extremist group on Facebook and not backing down from that. Since then the party has evolved to also include goals traditionally attributed to the right, like large scale remigration and a stricter immigration policy.

The party also seems inconsequentially small, even at the municipal and regional level. They have 0 seats at the national level

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party

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mattrighetti
24 minutes ago
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I use Mullvad because it physically prevents anyone from logging my data.

What a co-owner does with his personal money in a local Swedish municipal election has zero impact on the code protecting my traffic.

Did a quick research - calling a party that campaigns for a 30-hour work week and socialist dental care 'far-right' just because they have a strict immigration policy shows how carelessly people throw labels around these days.

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iamnothere
8 minutes ago
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As is typical, left ultras are once again being drafted (manipulated) into service against the few businesses that actually look out for their interests. Look out! Nazis under the bed again!

Anyone who still listens to these people after the last decade is hopelessly gullible.

Hey guys, ever wonder why your masters never get you to swarm the actually clearly evil businesses? Too scared to fight the real bad guys or what?

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steinvakt2
1 hour ago
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A headline and 20 comments and no mention of what this party actually stands for. Only simple labels such as "far-right". Ehh. The Republican Party in America is EXTREMELY far right by Swedish standards. So maybe one should base this on the actual substance rather than labels?
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hypeatei
1 hour ago
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Discussed three days ago (251 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48687508

The other owner replied here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48696800

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sourcecodeplz
1 hour ago
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archive link? the post got deleted
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Risse
1 hour ago
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They might be having some capacity issues, it was 404 for me for a while but now it's back.

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20260629105534/https://det.socia...

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sourcecodeplz
1 hour ago
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thanks, i got to the actual article that was linked: https://web.archive.org/web/20260628170131mp_/https://www.fl...
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gigatexal
1 hour ago
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I used Mullvad before this because they passed a bunch of tests and legally denied claims to user data. I don’t have the reference but it was on HN.

So who do people recommend now?

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0xy
1 hour ago
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Any party that is not for unlimited immigration is 'far right'.
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albertgoeswoof
1 hour ago
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Left wing parties historically are not pro immigration as it increases the labour pool and reduces individual worker powers.

Right wing should be boosting immigration to give businesses cheaper labour and erode worker rights.

Explains why they UK immigration rose massively with the tories.

Many parties outright lie about this to grow their voter base, but the difference in policy vs promise is huge.

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sourcegrift
1 hour ago
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And freedom to rape.
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sourcegrift
1 hour ago
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Far right isn't good enough for these people. They are radical-ultra-far-hard-alt right.
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PunchyHamster
1 hour ago
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> The Örebro Party (Swedish: Örebropartiet, ÖP) is a political party in Sweden. The party was initially only a local party in Örebro, Sweden. Markus Allard is the party leader. According to Allard the party cannot be placed anywhere on the traditional left-right spectrum. Some of its key issues include lowered wages for politicians, ending the tax payer funding of various sculptures, monuments and art, large scale remigration, a stricter immigration policy, and free dental care.[3][4]

I see no problems

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easytiger
1 hour ago
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Far right? It's run by a literal marxist communist.
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rdos
1 hour ago
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It might be ignorant, but I don't care. Same if he was funding the other side.
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krapp
1 hour ago
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It is ignorant. And it's weird that you're so proud of your ignorance.
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yde_java
1 hour ago
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You're ignorant for claiming that being able to separate political opinion from creating good products (and standing for privacy) is ignorant. And you're proud of it.
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krapp
1 hour ago
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I didn't claim anything of the sort. And OP literally said "It might be ignorant, but I don't care," so...
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DrProtic
1 hour ago
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They don’t care that the CEO is right wing, not that they’re ignorant.
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thendrill
1 hour ago
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I love how we pretend to live in a free democratic society where everyone is free to make up their own mind and vote for what they believe...

...as long as they don't have opinions that differ from ours, in that case we might punch em in the face...

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bobusumisu
1 hour ago
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And everyone is free to chose not to buy products from people who have opinions that differs fundamentally from their own?

And some opinions cannot be tolerated in a democratic society. An obvious example is anti-liberal/anti-democratic opinions as they threaten the system itself. You cannot have a free democratic society if a majority removes the freedoms of a minority.

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colinhb
1 hour ago
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For most people, the concern is the money, not the voting. People don't want wealthy people reshaping politics to fit their interests through their wealth. They can vote for whomever they want.
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yaris
55 minutes ago
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This sounds a bit irrational. Where does "wealthy" start? Mullvad co-CEO donated ~ $500K, would him donating $100K have the same effect? What about $10K? What if a Mullvad _employee_ donated $500K?
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colinhb
8 minutes ago
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What about work in units of median annual household disposable income, which are at least somewhat responsive to the distribution of money?

What % do you think a reasonable voter should accept a person donating to a political campaign before it causes concern about the donor's influence vs the median household's voice?

Off the top of my head, I'd guess 500k USD is about 1000% / 10x median annual household disposable income in SE, which I think would give the median voter pause.

For what it's worth (my own view): I think about 10% (~5k USD) is obviously acceptable, and I expect most anyone would agree that donations at that level are fine. I think your proposed 1000% is obviously unacceptable, and I expect most people would agree with me on that as well.

I'm not sure exactly where the level is that opinion would flip, but I feel pretty confident about those boundaries.

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gpvos
45 minutes ago
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A company shouldn't be able to fire an employee over their opinion,[0] so that wouldn't matter to me. For a major owner, the donation amount starts to matter to me around $5-10K, but YMMV.

[0] I suppose unless they have a very influential position and it's about a matter that contradicts main company goals

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calcifer
1 hour ago
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You have freedom of speech to advocate for your politics. The rest of us have the freedom of association to not want to be involved with you in any way.

These are not contradictory - they are both essential freedoms.

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flohofwoe
1 hour ago
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> in that case we might punch em in the face

Nobody is calling for violence though?

In a free democratic society nobody is forced to do business with anybody they don't agree with, and free speech means they can talk about their decision without fearing repercussion.

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misnome
1 hour ago
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> "punch em in the face"

Very weird interpretation of "voluntarily choose to not continue supporting them financially"

Presumably you want everyone to be forcibly compelled to finance the political parties they disagree with? And you would define this as a democratic society?

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thendrill
1 hour ago
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Punishing a company because someone does something in their free time with their own money ....
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gpvos
56 minutes ago
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The guy owns half the company, so a significant part of the money I'm paying is involved. Yes, it is quite ethical to decide based on matters like that. It's not an employee or minor shareholder.
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flohofwoe
1 hour ago
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Not doing business with a company (for any reason btw) is not 'punishment'. Nobody is taking away anything from the company or any people involved with that company.
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krapp
1 hour ago
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That's how markets work. People have the right to choose to do business, or not, based on whatever criteria they value.
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loloquwowndueo
1 hour ago
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So far in this thread you’re the only one mentioning punching anyone in the face.
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peddling-brink
1 hour ago
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The Nazis are sad that people want to punch them in the face.

https://knowyourmeme.com/sensitive/memes/richard-spencer-pun...

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grim_io
1 hour ago
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What's wrong with choosing who you give your money to?

Is that somehow undemocratic?

Is anyone censoring the guy?

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yde_java
1 hour ago
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Haters will now say that the far right will destroy exactly that: "our" democracy. The Western morality is a joke, and many HN readers comment like an infant. I feel ashamed.
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kypro
1 hour ago
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Why is Orebro a far-right party? I've not heard of them before so asked ChatGPT to summarise the party:

> Stricter immigration: The party supports significantly tighter immigration policies than Sweden has traditionally had. More recently, it has also advocated policies encouraging or expanding the return of some migrants to their countries of origin.

> Anti-establishment and anti-corruption: A central message is that established political parties are wasteful and disconnected from ordinary people. The party proposes reducing politicians' salaries and cutting what it considers unnecessary public spending.

> Protecting core public services: It argues that savings should come from administration and projects it views as non-essential, while prioritizing healthcare, schools, elderly care, and other local services. Free dental care: This has been one of its more prominent welfare proposals.

> Social conservatism and secularism: The party is generally described by political scientists and reference works as socially conservative and nationalist, while also supporting a secular state.

I asked more about the immigration point which seems to be the only right-wing position here and even that seems based around reducing immigration from culturally incompatible (and often far-right) countries and migrants who are an economic burden to Swedish tax payers. Which would be weird to brand far-right? Maybe slightly right-wing, but hardly unreasonable.

ChatGPT seems to think they're neither really right-wing or left-wing, but more populist which seems to be a better description if this is a good summary of their beliefs?

Asking because I don't really trust MSM sources to be unbiased against populist parties and I know ChatGPT has it's biases and issues. Would be nice if a Swede can explain if this is actually a far-right party, or just "far-right" by Swedish standards.

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pluc
1 hour ago
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"Here's an explanation by AI.

<Explanation>

Now if someone could give us a trustworthy explanation."

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hackinthebochs
1 hour ago
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Being against infinity migration is literally literally Hitler!
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