Gun Mistakes in Fiction Writing: Handgun Edition
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darksaints
7 minutes ago
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One of the things about fiction is that it gets almost everything wrong. It isn’t just guns. It’s professions like spies and snipers, cars, boats, planes, programming/hacking, technology, etc. And those are just the areas that I personally know they get wrong, because I know more than the average person in those areas.

Some people judge fiction way too harshly for inconsequential but inaccurate details which only serve for narrative structure. There are actually tons of authors who get all of these details right, but you almost never read their books because if they can get them published at all, nobody reads them, because they absolutely suck. An author that gets these details right and is actually a good storyteller is extremely rare. It’s basically a list consisting of Tom Clancy.

It’s just a pet peeve. At some point you have to let it go, or you’ll end up wasting your time writing blog posts begging authors who don’t care to talk to you so they won’t get inconsequential details wrong.

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dn3500
57 minutes ago
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I'm not a handgun expert at all but I've caught a few of these, like the guy who racked the slide on his revolver. The author who really impressed me, although not with his handgun knowledge, was Tom Clancy. I was in the anti-submarine warfare business in the 1970s and some of what he wrote in Red October I only knew from classified sources.
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kibibu
3 minutes ago
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Until it came to anything vaguely to do with computing or electronics, which turned into basically magic
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dvh
41 minutes ago
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Chuck Norris can rack the slide on his revolver
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waltwalther
17 minutes ago
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Church Norris can spin the cylinder on his Glock.
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bombcar
53 minutes ago
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Didn’t he piece rumors and made intelligent guesses so well that the government freaked out wondering where the leak was?
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lukan
49 minutes ago
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Possible he had a real source?
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djeastm
16 minutes ago
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Possibly, but I can't imagine a writer taking that kind of chance at the height of the Cold War just for verisimilitude.
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Simulacra
12 minutes ago
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I seem to recall reading that is basically what he did. He had good sources, he was an excellent writer, and a world class researcher.
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Simulacra
15 minutes ago
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There's a rumor that Reagan very seriously asked his admirals repeatedly if it was true. I know he "couldn't put it down."

Tangentaly related observation, but Reagan may have been the only president to really pay attention to movies and entertainment for inspiration of future events, and possibilities. It was said that he had a similar reaction to War Games, and took it very seriously

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kriro
40 minutes ago
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I guess my pet peeve of "firing an arrow" is also a gun mistake of sorts. It can be found in many fantasy books. A bow is not a gun, there's no gunpowder involved. If a commander orders his archers to "fire" what should they do, set their bows on fire?
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ajdude
11 minutes ago
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I was just watching Tom Scott's latest video, he mentioned firing a trebuchet and the guide pointed this out that you don't "fire" a trebuchet since it doesn't involve gunpowder, you launch it.

Tom's commentary later was that he disagreed with that sentiment. "I disagree with those potential comments. Words change their meaning overtime. In modern English, you can fire an arrow, you can fire a torpedo, we were gonna fire that trebuchet"

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kriro
1 minute ago
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[delayed]
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defrost
34 minutes ago
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Dip their arrow heads in the fire braziers so the tar / pitch starts to burn, ready for the coming "pull" and "loose" commands?
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folbec
33 minutes ago
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And what about archer companies doing "volley fire" ? As in what looks like 99% of Hollywood movies.

https://acoup.blog/2025/05/02/collections-why-archers-didnt-...

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amiga386
1 minute ago
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The worst archery bollocks I've ever seen in a film is in Timeline (2003)

The French are defending their castle at night from an English siege. They exchange vollies of arrows with their tips set on fire. Very cinematic.

Then the dastardly English commander calls for "night arrows". What are those? They're arrows whose tips aren't set on fire.

The French soldiers, knowing there's a pile of archers at their door, and knowing exactly where they are thanks to the attackers all carrying torches, stand waiting for the signal to loose their volley, and are surprised by the "night arrows".

Such nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcUVOlbNb30

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alias_neo
34 minutes ago
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What's the correct term? Loose? I'm sure I've heard that before.

I know nothing about arrows except to identify the pointy end.

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doikor
22 minutes ago
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It is very tiring to hold back the shot in a position like that. In real life you just wouldn’t do that. And in general your archers know their range and will/should start shooting as soon as they have a target in range without any orders.

The volley fire thing is from black powder musket/rifle days. Basically volleys were used so you can actually seen what you are shooting at (aim) and manuever (hard to move while reloading. Easier if everyone reloads at the same time). Most armies still had small groups sharpshooters/snipers running around the field and taking shots freely.

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alias_neo
1 minute ago
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> It is very tiring to hold back the shot in a position like that. In real life you just wouldn’t do that

That makes a lot of sense, and is kind of obvious when you think about it. They'd just be wasting energy.

I suppose the way we see it portrayed in film (for some reason it's always LoTR that comes to mind), is for dramatic effect, with scores of arrows flying through the sky at once. But I was always mildly irritated (though without knowing why) by the fact that despite so many arrows flying, the vast majority would miss any target.

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cenamus
26 minutes ago
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Shoot?
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nkrisc
24 minutes ago
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This is a good example of movies using inaccurate depictions that audiences will easily understand instead of accurate depictions that may confuse them.

Just think of it as a translation.

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enaaem
4 minutes ago
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I wonder what would happen if someone would make a serie or movie with realistic historical fighting? It might just break all previous works. For example armour that actually works and spears being better than swords.
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asimovDev
17 minutes ago
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thanks, now I will never be able to stop noticing this when watching anything in English
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doikor
32 minutes ago
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One thing I have noticed messed up in a lot of fiction (written/tv/movies/etc) is how loud guns actually are. Scenes of multiple people without any hearing protection emptying their guns that doesn't have any kind of supressors/silencer multiple times in a closed space (usually a single room) and then just casually chatting with each 5 seconds later.

In general the sounds of guns are very bad in most movies/tv shows (Heat from 1995 comes closest for me).

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rayiner
29 minutes ago
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I wonder if part of this is also failing to consider the acoustic effect of loud sounds in enclosed spaces. Guns don’t sound nearly as loud if you only shoot outside.
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gabriel666smith
12 minutes ago
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Honestly maybe my favourite part of being an author is being able to get briefly and deeply obsessed with any topic I choose - it's a rare privilege.

Beginning and then almost immediately dropping niche hobbies (eg flight simulators, poker, guns in the linked post) is transformed from something a spouse or partner might see as an undesirable and potentially annoying personality trait, into: "this is research, darling, it's my job", which is probably significantly more annoying.

It is easy to make mistakes with a verb one might not think to question like "cocked". Of course, ideally, you'd question every word used, so that the % of readers who understand its full associated meaning don't have their immersion in a story suddenly & painfully torn away.

To be less glib, I find that when speaking about a topic from a character's perspective - in dialogue or narration - a relatively important part of empathising with their point-of-view is understanding the physical and linguistic structure of their world. Sometimes I find there's no way to do this without putting hundreds of hours into understanding the tools they would use or the way they would live. Write what you know!

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kevdoran
26 minutes ago
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Kinda like when the hacker character in movies does... just about anything
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n6242
38 minutes ago
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One mistake in non-fiction blog posts: not including a label or title for the pictures.
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defrost
1 hour ago
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(28th June 2021) .. and I didn't find a Mistakes: Long Gun Edition.
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542458
46 minutes ago
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I'm not a deep-in-the-weeds expert, but if I had to put together an "obvious long rifle mistakes in fiction" article, it’d probably be:

* People pumping shotguns after every round, or unnecessarily cycling the bolt after every round

* Wrong action type for the gun

* Wrong shotgun ammo for the context

* Wrong safety type for the gun (most long guns have safeties, but they are operated in a variety of ways)

* Magazine vs clip vs chamber vs tube

* Shotgun impacts launching people across rooms, or unrealistic recoil (both too high and too low) for the weapon type

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RayeEvtuch
30 minutes ago
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Many long guns are not semi-auto and have to have their action cycled after each round. that's super common.
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defrost
43 minutes ago
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How about accounting for Coriolis "force" in addition to drop and wind when shooting ULR 5,000 yards?

Have you seen that in a film? Is it actually a thing, can you ignore it?

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542458
35 minutes ago
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Surprisingly, Coriolis at extreme ranges (like 5000 feet) can be relevant enough to be corrected for, but how much and in what direction depends which way you're shooting and where on the planet you are. There's a fun calculator here: https://codingace.net/physics/coriolis_effect_shooting.html
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defrost
31 minutes ago
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It's ignored in practice when firing long guns at 5,000 yards.

The minuscule effect is overwhelmingly dominated by everything else. Heavier, longer range shells from naval guns, yes - rifles, no.

* Opinion of a ULR shooter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7IKshdiiY

* Range Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owwTz7Z0OE

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nephihaha
1 hour ago
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Geoffrey Boothroyd wrote some letters to Ian Fleming about James Bond's armoury, which Fleming took on board. Fleming incorporated a Boothroyd character into the books who was later merged with Q.
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bombcar
50 minutes ago
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Bond using a “top secret compact rifle” that I recognized as an AR-7 was greatly disappointing to me, especially I had just finished discovering how crappy a gun that thing is.
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Simulacra
18 minutes ago
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I'm sure it exists, but we need this for movies. Of all the things I wish the movie industry would do, removing the sound of racking a slide or pulling back a hammer...on an automatic.. is top of my list of things that need to absolutely go.
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ourmandave
32 minutes ago
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The first complaint is "heard the snick of the revolvers safety."

I assume a lot of writers get their misinformation from Hollywood sound effects and the countless other gun related liberties.

Like the terminator asking for a phased plasma rifle in a 40W range. Everyone knows those weren't available until 1997.

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ghusto
56 minutes ago
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Jesus. Is this what _we_ sound like when talking about IT?
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nottorp
50 minutes ago
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Probably.

But I think sometimes we're more justified than the gun nuts. Take for example the movie series favorite "we'll track him through his GPS".

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skinfaxi
48 minutes ago
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More justified for what?
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wizzwizz4
2 minutes ago
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IT mistakes are frequently glaring plot-holes that render entire sections of the story impossible. Gun mistakes are generally a choreography problem, a weapon that's possible but just hasn't been manufactured, or someone learning information about the gun's state via the wrong channel (where such an information channel does exist).

Sure, sometimes a bullet impact throwing someone off a cliff is plot-relevant, but I couldn't name a single example. On the other hand, I can think of several examples where (supposedly) state-of-the-art encryption is cracked digit by digit, or where a radio receiver is tracked from a distance where the receiving pattern would be orders of magnitude below the noise floor (most often from orbital satellites), or where a device is remotely "hacked" that is not even plausibly connected to a network (less common, now that everything is IoT, although it's really prevalent in works set in the late 90s / early 00s).

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bombcar
51 minutes ago
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Yes, it’s the flip side of Gell Mann Amnesia - nerding out!
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boesboes
41 minutes ago
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yeap. And if you talk about trains like this, they blame vaccines ;)
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bebe9494i4
1 hour ago
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Biggest handgun myth is about dogs and self defense.

Loose aggressive dog is not a human. It is dangerous vermin that can kill you! You are absolutely allowed to play it safe, defend yourself, and shoot it (the same way you would kill mosquito).

"It just wants to play" is not an argument, you are not a "toy" for some strange dog. It was "reactive" is also not an argument, you have no obligation to suffer its "reaction" to the full end.

Dog owners will say they have a right to mangle child, for petting their dog (it was self defense). They will also insist dogs are safe around the children, two sentences latter. Do not listen to them!

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adjejmxbdjdn
47 minutes ago
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Dogs kill about 30-50 people in the U.S. every year.

Intimate partner gun violence alone leads to about 700 women being killed every year.

So by your logic, if you’re a woman and your partner has a gun, and is walking towards you and you can’t clearly tell that they don’t have a gun on them, “they just want to give you a kiss before leaving home” isn’t an argument. They’re vermin that can kill you and you’re absolutely allowed to play it safe, defend yourself and shoot them.

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duk3luk3
38 minutes ago
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Yes, that sounds appropriate and proportional to me, given the massive danger posed to (mostly) women by mostly (men) regarding domestic violence.
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dullcrisp
44 minutes ago
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Cars kill 40,000 people I just shoot for the tires though.
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rjsw
26 minutes ago
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There are cartridges specifically designed for shooting cars.
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syrgian
44 minutes ago
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I am a dog owner, and I agree that a loose and aggressive dog is a liability to humanity and you are making everyone a favor if you kill it even if you could have escaped (e.g. you manage to get into your car in time). If it was attacking you, it could be a child (or another dog, too) next time. I would say that even a loose, non aggressive dog of a breed that is very statistically likely to mangle people (e.g. Bully XL) should be taken away from their owners that same day.
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05
32 minutes ago
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I think there should be mandatory courses the owner needs to take to own these breeds (and pass the exam with satisfactory marks), loose or not if one slip of a leash can lead to a kid getting mangled then it's not safe for the owner to walk even a leashed untrained dog.
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qwertytyyuu
54 minutes ago
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But like don't going around shooting dogs people ask your child not to pet
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