Punk, or why I don't stream anymore
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firasd
9 minutes ago
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This lament about the superficiality of publicly oriented endeavors is interesting cause this guy's life is inseparable from meta commentary.

"George Francis Hotz (born October 2, 1989), known online by geohot, is an American security hacker, entrepreneur,[1] and software engineer. He is known for developing iOS jailbreaks,[2][3] reverse engineering the PlayStation 3, and for the subsequent lawsuit brought against him by Sony. From September 2015 until November 2025, he worked on his vehicle automation machine learning company comma.ai.[4] Since November 2022, Hotz has been working on tinygrad, a deep learning framework."

From the early legal controversy to today, if there's one thing we can expect from geohot, it's that he's gonna think he's god's gift to programming and everyone whose work he disagrees with are losers. But the bluster often doesn't result in much eg his plan to 'fix twitter search' didn't amount to anything and (and today in June 2026 twitter search is way less reliable than it was pre-Elon/Hotz/etc in Oct 2022 but I guess we can't say it's Hotz's fault cause like I said he did approximately nothing)

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tangenter
7 minutes ago
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> From the early legal controversy to now if there's one thing we can expect from geohot is that he's gonna think he's god's gift to programming and everyone whose work he disagrees with are losers.

As one of many who has seen him doing his thing alongside others, yeah he’d think that. And he’d be right.

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sarchertech
1 minute ago
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> think he's god's gift to programming and everyone whose work he disagrees with are losers

If he thinks like that (I don’t know him), he needs to limit the scope of what he works on to projects he can accomplish completely on his own.

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khalic
3 minutes ago
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lol, are you the author by any chance?
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nicman23
3 minutes ago
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lol he is right. his work both on the ps3 and now with the hacked p2p drivers is powering many a lab
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skizm
1 minute ago
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The only thing I will now remember this guy for is when he volunteered to work for Twitter/X after Elon took over. He failed to get twitter code building locally for about 4 weeks when attempting to change some placeholder text in the twitter search bar. He ultimately couldn't figure it out and then immediately quit lol. He even ran a poll on his twitter asking if he should quit, most people voted "NO" then he quit anyway.
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rmunn
6 minutes ago
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From the article: "... there is no other Internet, just a place with five corporate towns and some Chinese ones that are really hard to visit if you don’t speak Chinese."

Yeah, that's only true if you don't hang out in the old-style Internet. I spend most of my time on blogs, reading and replying to discussions on wide-ranging topics, talking to interesting people who know a lot more than I do about many subjects (in fact, most subjects that aren't computer programming) The discussion isn't on Disqus, it's not monetized, it's just... people talking to each other. And it's an active, fun community.

They're out there. Just... choose to disengage with the boring communities. I haven't had a Facebook account in years; I only got one because at the time there was a social group I belonged to that was using Facebook as their primary communication tool, and when I moved to another city I deleted my Facebook account. I never signed up for Twitter. Didn't want an account when it started, didn't want one five years ago, don't want one now.

It's possible to disengage from the artificial, and find real communication with real people. The first step is to just... stop logging onto Facebook. Just walk away.

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everdrive
10 minutes ago
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I really like this style of writing in short bursts, and I appreciate the author's tone and concerns.

I do wonder if the author is very young. As much as I enjoyed his small essay, a few things stuck right out at me:

>I tried having a flip phone once (2014), but you couldn’t find out what time the movies were playing because moviephone just redirected you to their app.

This has been a solved problem for a long time: you look up the movie times and such prior to departing for the movies. No smartphone needed.

>And it’s not like there’s anywhere to go. The real world is strip malls and axe throwing and escape rooms. Oh god people actually go on a hinge date to axe throwing and think it’s the real world.

You can escape, but you'll never hear about it by either checking online, or by listening to very-online people. Go on a hike. It doesn't even have to be a good one. Just go do it. Maybe say hi to some people you meet while you're there. You probably won't develop a deep friendship with them, but you will have a real, face-to-face human interaction.

Living away from the internet can now only be done intentionally. It can be done, though, but it's not the automatic choice. It's not even difficult ... it's just "manual." You must always think about what you want to do and how you want to do it. It's a skill that will come back to you. Or, if the author never learned it, a skill he still has a chance to learn.

What we've lost is getting to feel like you're connected to a common culture. This is a big, big loss, but it is not everything. The tools you need to escape are all around you. Power off your devices. Get some books at your local library. Try leaving your devices off all weekend, even when you get anxious, and bored, and your brain cries out for the easy, automatic stimulation it's become so accustomed to. Lay in bed and stare at the ceiling until your brain creates interesting thoughts out of your boredom. It's possible.

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matltc
8 minutes ago
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Well idk if the author is actually geohot but if it is then look him up. Famous hacker from cmu ppp, I think he was first to jailbreak iPhone 4
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everdrive
2 minutes ago
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Ah, sorry, I wasn't familiar with him. Looks like he was born in 1989, and so is not so young. I'm a bit baffled to hear that he doesn't think he can escape his smartphone given that he was resourceful enough to jailbreak an iPhone 4 back in the day. I understand he's speaking poetically and emotionally. Maybe he just means he has the knowledge but not the means.
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dgellow
7 minutes ago
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Yes it’s geohot’s blog. He’s also active on HN from time to time
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mellosouls
8 minutes ago
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For anybody misled by the title and still a bit confused by the article he's not referring to music.

This is clever-clogs George Hotz of hacking, comma.ai and tinygrad etc fame.

He used (?) to live stream hacker stuff like long running coding sessions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz

Unofficial video archive:

https://youtube.com/@geohotarchive/videos

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consumer451
19 minutes ago
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> Oh god people actually go on a hinge date to axe throwing and think it’s the real world.

Hinge dates and axe throwing are not my world. I also didn't go to pop band concerts and meat market bars in the olden times. I don't judge the people who did, at least now I don't.

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xoac
11 minutes ago
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You are a good consumer, consumer451, because you don't judge other consumers' consumption habits.
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inigyou
18 minutes ago
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geohot is lucky to have grown up in proper hacker culture, doing CTFs, poking at hardware. I've only touched the surface of this from the outside. One time I got root on my network switch, but that was about it. And now I feel like I've wasted my life. Geohot made a pretty big difference to the world with his hardware hacking.

Separate thought: This new information world can be fought, but it's the war against capital and power, and that cannot be won, only resisted until the side with the capital and power becomes so incompetent and detached from reality that it collapses by itself (this is happening now, slowly; it happened already in the Soviet Union), and then we can shape what comes afterwards. But there probably won't be as much computer technology post-collapse.

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delichon
28 minutes ago
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> But the difference is that you didn’t do anything. And in so much as there is a you, it isn’t steering. Now I realize that the non steering you is everywhere.

  Jesse: I was thinking about that thing you said about the universe. Going where the universe takes you? Right on. It's a cool philosophy.
  Jane: I was being metaphorical, it's a terrible philosophy. I've gone where the universe takes me my whole life. It's better to make those decisions for yourself.
  El Camino, 2019
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jareklupinski
16 minutes ago
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i think there's a balance, where you know where you want to get to and strive to course-correct towards it over time, but allow your present circumstances to choose which one of the infinite ways is going there today
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dgellow
8 minutes ago
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> What killed the hacker culture I grew up in was spectacle.

That’s so rich from someone known for his public stunts against Sony & co

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ShinyLeftPad
11 minutes ago
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> I’ve been scraping dating sites and feeding them to ChatGPT

Why...

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tangenter
9 minutes ago
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Because it’s a numbers game and nothing wrong with playing to win.
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ShinyLeftPad
27 seconds ago
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Should we also talk to dates using chatgpt? is a numbers game, play to win!
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mmillin
29 minutes ago
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Feels very related to the idea of refinement culture: https://lindynewsletter.beehiiv.com/p/refinement-culture

While the connectedness of our world allows for great ideas to be spread and shared, there’s a huge reduction in actual variety. I don’t know what the solution is.

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delichon
21 minutes ago
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> I don’t know what the solution is.

Interstellar diaspora. Interplanetary diaspora isn't far enough apart.

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thundergolfer
20 minutes ago
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Not really that related. Refinement culture is concerned with evolving aesthetics and marketing which is partly a response to globalization and the rising middle classes of asia, partly related to digitization, and partly just a normal evolution of style.

What George is talking about here is much more related to the ideas of Nick Land, technocapital, Marshall McLuhan, and man's relationship to industrialization.

> Isolation is basically impossible because the Internet follows you everywhere. And it’s perfectly uniform, there is no other Internet, just a place with five corporate towns and some Chinese ones that are really hard to visit if you don’t speak Chinese.

This is McLuhan's "global village".

> I don’t think I’m properly capturing the scope of the machine. First you build the fence to keep the animals out then you build the fence to keep the animals in. It’s a Fullmetal Alchemist homunculus maybe it has already eaten your soul.

This is Nick Land.

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hptnrr
11 minutes ago
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ChatGPT does not know more than you. The fallacy is always that you compare AI to a human without literature references and a database.

This is most egregious in chess engines that literally have endgame databases for example. Would Carlsen have won game six against Nepo if Nepo had had a tablebase? No, it was a draw many times.

Hacker culture has slowly been subverted since the mediocre developers of open source projects sold out to corporations and became managers of the A developers. Literally like pg wrote: C students manage the A students. Except that in open source this was a novelty and the A students were too timid or conflict averse to fork.

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everdrive
9 minutes ago
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>ChatGPT does not know more than you.

Maybe in the area of your expertise, but ChatGPT probably knows most of the Habsburg dynasty. (just as one example) The breadth of knowledge, even when the depth is quirky and limited, is genuinely a big deal.

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khalic
4 minutes ago
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What an unpleasant read
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paxys
13 minutes ago
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> AI is making this all so much worse. When you are prompting you feel like you are steering, but are you really? Would you know if you weren’t?

This one hits hard. I feel more and more that AI-assisted creation is really just consumption. And it’s worse because it gives a false sense of creativity. Are we really expressing ourselves and challenging ourselves by pressing a button and generating the same slop as a million other people?

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xoac
10 minutes ago
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Wasn't this obvious?
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awakeasleep
26 minutes ago
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overall, too much of this makes sense. The only part I have any objection to is the part about when you're using an AI to make something, you are not steering.

I think you only give up the steering on the how, but the "what" and the "why", which were always the more important parts, in my opinion, are still in your hands.

There has always been tension on that specific point, and it's what made being a programmer in a company you don't own so painful.

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phoghed
20 minutes ago
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Even the “how” you only give up as much as you are willing to.
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ozgrakkurt
24 minutes ago
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I have similar feelings but also think this is mostly an effect of more people participating.

The people that create slop garbage profiles or cookie-cutter profiles didn't have very quirky profiles before. The probably didn't even participate before.

The quirky stuff is still there and maybe there is even more of it but it takes effort to find it instead of being able to go online and everything being novel.

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v9v
31 minutes ago
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Parts of this reminded me of the book "Sadly, Porn".
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finnthehuman
9 minutes ago
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The bit about stream viewers is interesting. What is the typical viewer experience?

I assumed watching streams is similar to watching vs participating in sports. I played a few as a teen, got quite good at one. As much as I like watching highly talented people apply their skill it does nothing to scratch the participatory itch.

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throwaway_7274
4 minutes ago
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“geohot writes an r/redscarepod post”
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jacknews
4 minutes ago
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We've got used to 'reasonable' society and politics in the last few centuries, but check out politics in developing nations or dictatorships, or Trump or places like pageantry. All fake news and gossip and performance, and AI just makes this potentially much much worse.

It already has a name in academia I think, post-truth, or post-reality or something.

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gooddelta
20 minutes ago
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This slop is exactly what ChatGPT spits out when it's leading you down the hole of AI psychosis.
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myrmidon
3 minutes ago
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> AI psychosis.

No need to be so dramatic, might just be a bit of an early midlife crisis thing.

I liked the post, some interesting takes.

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