Ask HN: Do you say please and thank you to your LLMs?
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2 hours ago
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This is an orthogonal question to whether LLMs have qualia (almost certainly no) and to the question of whether any hypothetical qualia would be in any way correlated with word choice (also almost certainly no), as opposed to mechanistic factors such as runtime and memory access patterns.
fugaziboutit
6 minutes ago
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Neither cursing nor thanking LLMs is useful. Relating in emotive syntax puts you in the wrong headspace to get the most out of the chat.

We anthropomorphise things very easily -- dogs, toys, cars -- because we're wired as social beings to have theory of mind. It's no surprise that AI chat, which mimics us, is popular.

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spottedmarley
6 minutes ago
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I do. I'll compliment the model or give it a thumbs-up emoji. If you watch a model's thinking stream you can see that the model is always attempting to assess the user's intent, including emotionality.. '...the user is expressing uncertainty about.. ' or '..the user is expressing appreciation for..' etc. and this influences the overall response and sometimes even their decisions. It's a language model, so why not use language to convey info about what you're feeling to the model, it understands that language too.
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bloke_zero
33 minutes ago
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No, it doesn’t have feelings - it would be like asking your washing machine to please wash your pants? Anthropomorphising LLMs seems deeply unhealthy.
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cyanydeez
6 minutes ago
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have you considered that when you stare into the void it stares back
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dude250711
26 minutes ago
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What if politeness is correlated to higher-quality answers in their mess of a "database"?
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codesections
1 hour ago
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I do. I justify the action via mechanical / prompting logic (my instructions are to treat me as an informed peer and my understanding is that keeping the whole conversation in "two peers talking" register makes it easier for the LLM to maintain that mode).

But, more honestly, it's just a social habit and saving keystrokes isn't worth training myself out of it.

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probst
1 hour ago
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Exactly, or rather, the social habit part I agree a 100% with. I don't want to train myself out of being a polite human being, just to save some keystrokes.
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jryan49
35 minutes ago
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Since every token costs money and I dont think they are conscious, never.
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probst
1 hour ago
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I certainly say please and thank you. Whether or not it makes a difference to the LLM, it makes a difference to me. I want to retain some humanity and politeness in my own behavior, even if I spend an inordinate amount of time communicating with, instructing, and debating a non-sentient piece of code.
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jake_and_fatman
1 hour ago
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All the time. Sometimes it does an absolutely bang-up job.
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setnone
32 minutes ago
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yes, it goes naturally most of the time, i also say good job and don't hold my thoughts if the job is bad
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kaueg
38 minutes ago
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ofc, i joke that if an AI becomes evil, it will query the database for our chat history
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froh42
27 minutes ago
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When the LLM starts doing dumb shit I start cursing it like a sailor who had been a pig farmer.

It makes me feel better, but doesn't help.

I just see:

Thinking: The user is unhappy. I need to .... <whatever> (and then probably the same dumb shit again).

LLMs are useful but sometimes fucking frustrating dumb shits of loose transitors.

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lyfeninja
1 hour ago
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I do, just in case the robots take over :p
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estetlinus
1 hour ago
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Yup. When it does me dirty, I let it know my entire emotional spectrum.
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mrwizardno2
3 minutes ago
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It may not be conscious, but it sure does understand emotions - especially angst. I let that MFer know when it messes something up and I have to rework the BS it created.

It's more for me than anything. Kind of cathartic, really. "Man curses at machine, calls its mother a toaster."

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hahahaa
1 hour ago
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I do a pls sometimes.
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iamin
1 hour ago
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when I use chinese which is my first language, no, never. when I use english, yes, not every time, but about 50% chance.
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davydm
1 hour ago
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I used to, but it just means an extra round of conversation, so I stopped.
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codesections
1 hour ago
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I don't think I've ever spent a whole round on it. More typically

> please do $x

>> $x

> thanks. Now do $y

If I have ever spent a whole turn on something that could be called a thank you is was something like "the way you answer that [in specific way] was very helpful – thanks. Can you please remember to raise that sort of point in the future?" So still not an extra round

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arnab777
1 hour ago
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sometimes
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