Painting the sides of railroad rails white to reduce derailment
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by zdw
6 hours ago
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acyou
7 minutes ago
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Paint everything white! Why stop at rails?

Mostly because it doesn't stay white and looks bad. But it doesn't stop people from painting their siding white, for example.

Why paint the sides of the rails? Well you can paint the tops, but it tends to gum up the wheels and get worn off.

You want a paint with high reflectivity and high emissivity. Just be sure you aren't using infrared light temp measurement as to measure and make claims about differences in temperature, emissivity is something to watch out for when measuring temperature in that way.

20 degrees is surprising, I sure wish my car was white in the summer.

I wonder if you have okay effects with white rails in the winter?

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atourgates
3 hours ago
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In a somewhat related practice, some roads in the Tour de France this year have been painted with "white shit" (rider Tom Pidcock's words) in order to combat the asphalt melting in the heat, with the unfortunate side-effect that it seems to be slippery and several riders (including Tom Pidcock) crashed going around a corner when the lost traction.

Coverage here: https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-racing/tour-de-fran...

But of course, this was done in response to past serious crashes that occured because the asphalt melted. So, it's sort of a damned if you do damned if you dont scenario for the organizers.

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Animats
2 hours ago
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Pepe's Towing in Los Angeles reports asphalt collapses where loaded semitrailers are parked with the landing gear down. On hot days the concentrated load of the landing gear sometimes punches through the asphalt.[1]

This is why truck dock areas are usually paved with concrete.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrULmCGJfc

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jordanb
2 minutes ago
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Years ago Chicago started putting concrete pads on the road at bus stops because the busses stopping in the exact same spot repeatedly was carving ruts into the asphalt.
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andrewflnr
1 hour ago
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Motorcycle riders also report their sidestands sinking into asphalt on very hot days, to the extent that many of them carry some kind of wide weight-spreading thing to put under the stand. Apparently a face plate (?) for an electrical junction box works great.
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pacbard
3 minutes ago
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Usually, a crushed soda can is good enough to prevent the kickstand to sync in the pavement. You can usually find a can in a random parking lot. That, or find a strip of concrete. That's why sometimes motorcycle park on the sidewalk in front of big box stores on a hot day.
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amiga386
1 hour ago
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At least they're doing something.

I couldn't believe the state of US railtrack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2A2f6E5DI

Just go slower! We don't want to pay for maintenance. What's the worst that could happen? You derail and your toxic payload catches fire and poisons the neighbourhood?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio,_train_de...

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pixl97
1 hour ago
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Maintenance is expensive, profits are now!
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tiagod
50 minutes ago
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"That’s huge. If you’re not fighting the sun’s heat, you dramatically reduce the risk of the rail shifting.”

Am I misreading or does this say the opposite of what they meant?

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adrianmonk
27 minutes ago
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I think the safety officer meant that white paint prevents the rail from heating up. The heating of rails contributes to problems with derailment. If the heat isn't a contributor, that heat is one less thing you have to fight (as in account for).

But the photo caption paraphrases him and says that the white paint fights (as in prevents) the heat, which uses similar words but a different logic to it (but the same overall meaning).

If I've got that right, then I think the blame lies on whoever wrote this article for making it confusing.

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earth-tattoo
46 minutes ago
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You are misreading. Basically the white paint is "fighting the sun's heat".
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kylehotchkiss
2 hours ago
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I love a simple solution to billion dollar problems
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jeffrallen
2 hours ago
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Practical Engineering already explained the correct solution to this problem:

https://youtu.be/zqmOSMAtadc?si=UUlmnk9sI-leq0SV

But of course, American infrastructure was built on the cheap, and is not maintained correctly. This is why we can't have nice things.

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anonymars
2 hours ago
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Why couldn't this also help with continuous-welded rail?

Your own video points out that it's still prone to trade-offs: rail breaks in the cold are better than buckling in the heat, but what if you could reduce the high point with white paint so you could expand the practical temperature range?

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kylehotchkiss
2 hours ago
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We have like 220,000 miles of railroad. We do have nice things: a working freight railroad system that helps reduce transit costs.
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AlotOfReading
1 hour ago
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If the freight rail system were as good as it should be, long distance trucking would be a rounding error instead of the dominant freight mode.
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anonymars
1 hour ago
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Trucks and trains serve different purposes. My understanding is the US has a higher percentage than most of freight carried by rail. Indeed at the expense of its passenger rail
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TylerE
37 minutes ago
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Airlines killed passenger rail, not freight. Prior to it all being rolled into Amtrak virtually every railroad was losing money on passenger service.
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dnemmers
5 hours ago
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Reducing derailment by decreasing track movement by painting the does of the track white, to reflect heat absorbed from the sun.
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